[AccessD] Visual Studio Express

...iirc the runtime has always been free ...prior to A2k7 it required a 
developer license to redistribute it.

William

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From: "David McAfee" <davidmcafee at gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 2:13 PM
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Visual Studio Express

> They made the Access run time free starting with Access2007, didn't they?
>
> David
>
> On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 11:16 AM, William Hindman
> <wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com> wrote:
>> ????? ...doesn't matter to the client which runtime is used ...only the
>> developer incurs a one-time license cost in previous Access runtimes.
>>
>> William
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 12:56 PM
>> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
>> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Visual Studio Express
>>
>>> True.  Of course then I have to come up to speed on 2007.
>>>
>>> ;)
>>>
>>> John W. Colby
>>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>>
>>>
>>> William Hindman wrote:
>>>> "there is a per seat license for Access" jc
>>>>
>>>> ...there is zero MS license cost to the client if they use the runtime
>>>> install.
>>>>
>>>> William
>>>>
>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>> From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 9:57 PM
>>>> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
>>>> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Visual Studio Express
>>>>
>>>>> I am with William on this one.  I have been working in Access (pre2k7)
>>>>> for
>>>>> so long I can code with
>>>>> my eyes closed.  I have my framework, I have just so many years
>>>>> experience, I cannot tell you that I
>>>>> can develop an app in C# anywhere close to as fast.  But is that a 
>>>>> fair
>>>>> comparison?  And the bottom
>>>>> line is that C# and .Net is in an entirely different league than 
>>>>> Access
>>>>> and VBA in terms of sheer
>>>>> capability, as well as stability.
>>>>>
>>>>> Potentially C# is entirely license cost free to the client.  Assuming
>>>>> that
>>>>> I do not have to automate
>>>>> Excel or Word, there is zero license cost for my application, whereas
>>>>> there is a per seat license
>>>>> for Access.
>>>>>
>>>>> C# and Access is simply not apples to apples.  It is more like an 
>>>>> entire
>>>>> box of every fruit you can
>>>>> think of to a single apple.  Throw in SQL Server Express, and DMO and
>>>>> suddenly you have an M1 tank
>>>>> running over the apple that is Access.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.sqlteam.com/article/introduction-to-sql-dmo
>>>>>
>>>>> As William said so well, if it has to be quick and cheap, Access is
>>>>> still
>>>>> King.  If it is going to
>>>>> be enterprise wide and the enterprise is more than 50 or so seats, or 
>>>>> it
>>>>> is ever going to need a web
>>>>> interface, or it is ever going to manage a huge database or (lots of
>>>>> other
>>>>> places that Access is not
>>>>> a good fit)...
>>>>>
>>>>> I love Access, but I am learning a much more powerful tool, and C# / 
>>>>> SQL
>>>>> Server is a MUCH more
>>>>> powerful tool.
>>>>>
>>>>> John W. Colby
>>>>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Doug Steele wrote:
>>>>>> William, would you say that the time you now take to develop an app 
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> VS
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> comparable to the time you would have taken to develop the same app 
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> Access?  I've done one small project this year in C# and it probably
>>>>>> took
>>>>>> me
>>>>>> five times as long as Access would have.  I realize that I will get
>>>>>> faster
>>>>>> with practice, but how much?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Doug
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 9:47 AM, William Hindman <
>>>>>> wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> gustav
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ...there are so many such goodies in VS that you can't even cover 
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> highlights in a single post.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> William
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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