Doug Murphy
dw-murphy at cox.net
Mon Mar 22 13:59:31 CDT 2010
Hi Jim,
Not defending Access 2007 but I have been using overlapping controls without
any issues so far. I use text boxes over combo boxes and they seem to work
OK. I have had lots of other problems, some being pretty bizar and machine
specific. Hopefully Office 10 will be more stable.
Doug
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 9:23 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Yet Another Access 2007 & Win 7 Bug -- Nasty
I am sorry to hear of your problems. Access appears to be actually in the
process of being dummed down.
In older versions of forms you could overlap any object like fields, labels,
combo boxes etc. Try that now and the form will crash and be
unrecoverable... you will have to bring it back from a backup period... no
export or decompile code resolve it.
So do not do anything too fancy. It is best to use a couple of forms than
push the limits on one. Keep away from any imbedded objects...like with
graphics no imbedded Photoshop... use external graphic png or jpg and pass
in the graphic via directory name.
Microsoft for years was using Access internally for some of their projects
but I am sure they are not now and the only people that are working on the
code are a bunch of first year hacks. No MS senior programmer wants to get
stuck with having to work with Access...it is real bad for their career and
they get tired of being made fun of by their peers.
This is just my personal opinion but, you know the old saying, if it walks
like duck and talks like a duck...it is most likely soon to be a dead duck.
Jim
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Robert
Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 3:56 PM
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Subject: Re: [AccessD] Yet Another Access 2007 & Win 7 Bug -- Nasty
Jim,
Thanks for the code suggestion(s).
Since re-writing an application that I have been working on for over 10
years, in DOT.NET isn't really an option for me.. :-), as I would have to
learn .NET first... :-).
I guess it would take me about 1-2 years to get to the point of just being
able to work in it effectively, then what another 30 years to re-create the
same app... :-)
If this combination doesn't yield better "base" results over the next few
Windows & Access updates, I have been giving serious thought of ending my
development in it (just going to close the doors on the application
development).
It's becoming simply too painful dealing with Microsoft's increasing
disregard for this (and others) products function and performance.. It
seems that M$ is only interested in creating flashy new "gadgets", rather
making sure the existing code base is stable and functioning properly. Never
mind what the masses of tried and true Access developers want to see happen.
I loved the early days of 1.1 and A97, when you felt like they were
listening and fixing the problems being presented to them. Now..., In the
sea of their own dissolutions, I'm not sure they can even hear the cry's of
the countless Access developers.. I have a bad feeling A2010 will be no
better than A2007 in regards to stability and performance, and if history
repeats yet again most likely be worst...
Ok, time to get of my box, and go play some chess.....
WBR
Robert
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2010 1:21 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Yet Another Access 2007 & Win 7 Bug -- Nasty
Hi Robert:
I have already ran into error number 5... sort of resolved it by making it a
separate function, turn off errors and then catching the error and looping
until it works... Another one is the use the 'sleep' function.
I think it is as much the Windows7 OS and the faster computers as it is the
Access version. I have already started to have issues with Access2003 and
have found that if I can get control of the processing it 'seems' to work
better. Here is a couple of methods I have found that help:
Private Declare Sub Sleep Lib "kernel32" (ByVal dwMilliseconds As Long)
...
DoCmd.Close, "MyForm"
intLoop = 0
Do While (IsLoaded("MyForm")=True) And (intLoop < 5000) intloop = intloop +
1 Sleep 200 Loop
...or sometimes just plain...
Sleep 2000
...and then the DoEvents...
bolLoaded = True
DoCmd.OpenForm "Customers" 'bolLoaded is set to False on Close
Do While bolLoaded = True
DoEvents
Loop
...and you are saying that it will only get worse!
I wonder if Access2007 should just be avoided and jump right to Access2010?
...or should I just rewrite the code in .Net and charge the client 10 to 15K
for the process? ;-)
Thanks for the heads up.
Jim
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Robert
Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2010 6:48 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Yet Another Access 2007 & Win 7 Bug -- Nasty
Jim,
Keep in mind that this is an complex mdb(e) in Access 2007. If your app.
is the same, I can pretty much guaranty you will have problems. With all the
problems that I have and had, I just don't see how it's possible you won't
have some strange stuff happen if installed in Windows 7..
I'm still dealing with absolutely bizarre issues that have absolutely no
foreseeable solution using this (combination (mdb(e) + Access 2007 on
Windows 7)
For example:
Something like Set ctrCalendar = New clsCalendar will intermittently
fail with error "Error: 5 Invalid procedure call or argument"
I have never had an error report dispatched for this, and It's only on
Window 7 OS's.. Unfortunately there is no fixing this, as it appears to
simply be a breakdown in Access on Windows 7 for some reason..
All these stupid errors have pushed my development so far back now I'm
really struggling to convert this app to a native access 2007 format, which
I'm really hoping solves these crazy problems.
A warning to everyone.. if you're like me and have a large complex mdb(e)
application running in the A07 "Engine", DON'T "allow" it to be installed on
any Windows 7 system, you will regret it like I have... :-(
WBR
Robert
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 7:54 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Yet Another Access 2007 & Win 7 Bug -- Nasty
Hi Robert:
Ouch, but I am glad to see you resolved that error.
I will be migrating an Access2003 application to Access2007 and you are not
making me feel very confident.
Jim
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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Robert
Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 6:10 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Yet Another Access 2007 & Win 7 Bug -- Nasty
Been dealing with yet another program bug after switching the same program
that ran fine on Win XP to Window 7. I was getting this error on 2 different
section of the program. (There may be others but we have not found them
yet.)
Design:
Form / Sub form design. Sub form based on simple query with 4 tables. 3
query based functions. Sub form OnCurrent event sunk to re-query some list
boxes on main form. (Error persist when removing the OnCurrent event)
Imbedded Query Function Example:
GetOnOrderAmount([tblInventory.InventoryID],[Location])
Symptoms:
Intermittently; when a user moves from one record to the next 2 things
would / could happen.
1) Throws 2 different errors (2465, 2424) and even though there is
error handling in place it would crash Access
2) After trapping (and throwing a DoEvent after the error) for the
specific error(s), I could prevent Access from crashing.
a) when the error would occur; the field that had the prev.
focus would change to "#Name?"
and lock up the entire database unless the user would
click back on that exact record.
b) I could cause the error by moving between records
rapidly. I could always reproduce the error in just a few
seconds of doing this.
c) Users said it was more likely to happen if using the
record selector for moving between records.
Pictures of what that looked like.
http://i40.tinypic.com/n6ztcl.png
http://i44.tinypic.com/2929mx1.png
Corrective Measures.
After much trial and error, I discovered that if I completely remove **
ALL ** the imbedded functions in the query(s)
and move them to the actual sub form field(s) the problem completely went
away..
=GetOnOrderAmount([tblInventory.InventoryID],[Location])
Just thought I would add to the continuing saga of Access 2007 and Windows
7.. I can say this with confidence. This is a lethal combination for anyone
utilizing an Access .mdb(e) as a front end program.
If your program has ANY complexity to it, I can pretty much guarantee you
will encounter some of the strangest errors and anomalies you have ever
experienced with Access before... ;-) Garbage is what it really is, utter
garbage....
WBR
Robert
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