[AccessD] Expressions

William Hindman wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com
Tue Mar 30 09:41:38 CDT 2010


...lol ...talk about getting the cart before the horse!

...so they built a be with no link to the fe and are manually doing the 
linkage now

...and expect a new piece in the middle to make it all work?

...without significant changes to the existing pieces?

...I'd bail on that faster than a fat mouse on a hungry cat

William

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From: "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 9:35 AM
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Expressions

> There are really three components to this - the be with the data and the
> browser-based fe for the user are done.  The third piece is the link 
> between
> the two.
>
> Like a dating service, users enter their criteria for a physician and
> receive referrals to docs the be database. At the moment that link from
> input to output is manual, although, IIUC, the methods and procedures are
> well defined.  The current level of activity is just at the threshold of
> overwhelming the ability of the staff to keep up.  So they need to 
> automate
> that link.
>
> As the be is in access, it probably seems logical to them to add a module 
> to
> the be that would create a table of referrals which could then be driven
> back to the user through a web-based program.  The third party who is
> helping to coordinate this whole thing told me that they are now thinking 
> of
> using the Expressions Engine to do that link.
>
> If they go that way I will probably not do the job.  So I was trying to 
> find
> out how appropriate that alternative would be and what the strengths and
> weaknesses are of the EE.
>
> Rocky
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
> Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 2:09 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Expressions
>
> Rocky
>
> "Expression Engine" is a decent web content management system, "MS
> Expression" is a Microsoft web development suite of tools targeted at the
> web site "designer" market ...neither is anything like an Access desktop 
> fe
> nor serves the same purpose ...if the desire is to have a browser based
> fe/web app for an Access be, then the best tool for your existing skill 
> set
> would probably be Visual Studio 2010 ...the VS 2010 Express, Web Developer
> version is free and can probably do what you need, certainly in the 
> learning
> stage ...but the Pro version allows you to compile your code into a dll
> which meets your criteria for code security.
>
> ...assuming that the client is looking for a browser based solution on a 
> web
> site, and anticipates high traffic, an mdb be can be problematic ...an
> Access be on the web can handle several hundred users a day quite well
> ...but anything more and your client will need to move to a SQL Server be.
>
> ...either way, if you're looking at anything more than a desktop fe for
> their current mdb be, the learning curve can be quite steep ...VB.net is 
> NOT
> vba ...it's a fe programming language for the .net framework, object
> oriented, and the web resources are quite a bit more limited than for vba 
> or
> C#.net.
>
> ...however, Shamil and a group of AccessD developers recently did a
> conversion of the Northwind.mdb to .net and the entire project, both 
> results
> and the interim steps to get there are hosted on codeplex and available 
> for
> download ...it's a great learning tool that would have helped me immensely
> in my first foray into .net apps ...if you decide to take the client on,
> that would be the first place I'd look to especially since help is
> immediately available from those you already know and respect.
>
> William
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Rocky Smolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 1:21 AM
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Expressions
>
>> The BE is already Access.  The programming to be done is the process
>> of connecting the patients with doctors - kind of like a medical 
>> eHarmony.
>> Currently the referrals are being done manually.  So they know how to
>> do it.
>> But they're ramping up so the manual approach is getting quickly
>> overwhelmed.
>>
>> R
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim
>> Lawrence
>> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 8:11 PM
>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Expressions
>>
>> Hi Rocky:
>>
>> Isn't Expression a web designer type tool... it specialized in blog
>> building similar to WordPress. It also has a number programming
>> features built within it so it can be made fairly functional. OTH it
>> is supposed to be a cruddy web designer not at all like my favourite
>> Dreamweaver.
>>
>> I think MS Access is probably a better database management tool but it
>> is not designed for web deployment. So I guess it depends on whether
>> the application is to be desktop or web based.
>>
>> For you, the ultimate would be to quickly hack together an Access BE
>> with all the business logic built in and quickly put together a custom
>> built web site FE and I would recommend Dreamweaver for ease of use...
>> but that would just be my personal opinion.
>>
>> The optimum would be to build the whole in something like ASP.Net or
>> many of the excellent frameworks that are out there.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky
>> Smolin
>> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 5:10 PM
>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>> Subject: [AccessD] Expressions
>>
>> A potential client is trying to decide whether to create a very
>> proprietary algorithm (for matching up patients with doctors - kind of
>> a medical dating service if you will) in Access or Expression Engine.
>> I don't know about Expression.  Good alternative?  Can you protect
>> your code with Expression?
>>
>>
>>
>> MTIA
>>
>>
>>
>> Rocky
>>
>>
>>
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