[AccessD] New engagement; trying to avoid the "tip of the iceberg" consulting trap

Rocky Smolin rockysmolin at bchacc.com
Mon Nov 8 19:00:24 CST 2010


Or just leave it in 2003 format?  I do this for a couple clients.  They
don't know the difference - it's transparent.  And I turn off the ribbon so
the ribbon doesn't screw up my forms by stealing that real estate. 

Rocky


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Hi Mark
Re this issue about doing it in 2007 - I sympathise - it sux (Mostly because
of the ribbon) Can you do it in 2003 then at the appropriate time migrate it
to 2007 prior to delivery(with the relevant testing)?
Darren

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms
Sent: Tuesday, 9 November 2010 10:21 AM
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Subject: Re: [AccessD] New engagement; trying to avoid the "tip of the
iceberg" consulting trap

So I met with the client.
Not a large application, but what a mess.
Spaces in the column names, no discipline in object names, etc, etc, .
I could go on forever.
It also has structural problems...one huge table that contains many columns
that only apply to 20% of the rows.
This begs for separate linked tables of course.

I'm giving them a 3 man-week estimate for putting a pretty face on this pig.
That's what they are really asking for....
A new menu and enhancement of the existing forms for better navigation.
Oh, and much of that work will be done at home office....they have no good
dev boxes there...
 Only these laptops with tiny, eye-tiring screens and chicklet keyboards....
 And to make matters even more miserable, it's gotta stay in Access 2007.



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms
> Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2010 8:36 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] New engagement; trying to avoid the "tip of the 
> iceberg" consulting trap
>
> Thanks all. Jim D. - based on that great rate that you are getting, 
> I've decided to make it a fully-paid 8 hour assessment.
> After all, they're at least getting a report at the end of it.
> That'll be the deliverable.
>
> I have no idea as to what I'm walking into with this client.
> Since this engagement has been "on again", "off again", several 
> times....
> I don't think that's a good sign of a "stable" client.
> This sort of conduct indicates in-fighting, budget problems, or other 
> management "issues".
> I've been thru the mill over the past 2 years with IT vs. End user 
> politics and let me tell you,  it really, really sucks.
>
> So after the 1 hour interview, if they don't like the "deal", I walk 
> out.
> No charge.


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