[AccessD] OT: Shopping for a new comp

Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com
Tue Jun 14 13:29:42 CDT 2011


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GK

On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 1:07 PM, Rusty Hammond <rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com> wrote:
> Rocky,
>
> For backing up mdb's have you ever thought about a dropbox account
> (www.dropbox.com).  Works just like your used to doing, drop a file in a
> folder and it automatically backs it up to your account.  Then it's
> accessible anywhere you can get an internet connection.
>
> Rusty
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 11:25 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Shopping for a new comp
>
> I have a sort of "manual raid" system.  Machine #2  is ready to take
> over if machine #1 fails.  I have shortcuts on #1's desktop to folders
> on #2 as well as a shortcut to the EHD.  Whenever I finish with an MDB I
> just drag and drop the file to the EHD shortcut and the shortcut on #2.
>
> So I always have 3 copies of everything.
>
> In addition I ghost both systems once a month and store the ghost images
> on the EHD.
>
> Every so often I zip all the client stuff and FTP it to an outside
> server as well. Redundant backup is all well and good until the house
> burns down - or the burglars take all my stuff.
>
> Crude, I know, but effective.
>
> Rocky
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 9:20 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Shopping for a new comp
>
> That is probably a pretty good deal.
>
> Go with the i7 if you have the money for Dell as you will get
> hyperthreading for another 20% performance boost.  i5 does not do
> hyperthreading.
>
> I don't see where they will install an SSD as a boot drive.  You can do
> it yourself but you will end up with warranty issues I'm guessing.
>
> If it is "mission critical" then a raid 1 boot drive is the ticket.
> This thing will be so fast that you will not really notice the lack of a
> SSD - for awhile.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> On 6/14/2011 11:57 AM, Bill Patten wrote:
>> Rocky,
>>
>> Boot and reboot times went from about 3 or 4 minutes to well under 1
>> minute and have remained for over a year. I went with raid 0 so that
>> my 2 80's would create a 160 G C: drive. At the time 2 80G cost much
>> less than the 120 available. Sizes and prices have changed, but I
>> figure if it isn't broken why fix it.
>>
>> Also if your using windows 7 they make it very easy to move
>> directories like My Docs, Downloads and have the OS know where they
>> are located. This allows you to use smaller C drives for OS and in my
>> case I put my development directory on the SSD.
>>
>> I think the monitor was included in the $989 package with an i7 but of
>
>> course my memory isn't what it used to be.
>>
>> I don't know if you followed the URL's but below is the site where the
>
>> deal actually resides, and it appears that you actually buy from Dell
>> and apply discount codes to drop the price down.
>>
>>
>> http://www.logicbuy.com/deals/dell-xps-8300/28882.aspx
>>
>> I'm sure others will be able to add to this to assist you.
>>
>> Bill
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Rocky Smolin"<rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 8:38 AM
>> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Shopping for a new comp
>>
>> Thanks Bill.  Actually everyone else is considering that I build one.
>> :) I'm still a bit reluctant.
>>
>> I've done my share of hardware but don't get much charge out of it.
>> If the box wasn't so mission critical I might be tempted to play with
>> it.  But I'm jealous of the time.  I'm switching from software\e
>> developer to upright jazz bass player and would rather spend the time
> doing that.  My 14 y.o.
>> needs a new box and he's tech mad so maybe I'll let him build one.
>>
>> I've always bought Dell because of the charm of not having to leave my
>
>> chair, a few clicks and walla! Someone brings the comp to my door!  I
>> plug and play.
>>
>> Upgrading to the SSD seems like a good thing.  How's that working for
> you?
>> Does it really boost the response time?
>>
>> One of the things that's driving me to this new comp is the increasing
>
>> delay when opening Access, Excel, Word, sometimes opening emails.  I
>> think it's because there's more processes now than there was 4-5 years
>
>> ago when I got this box and I've only got 2BG RAM. In it.
>>
>> The deal looks good except I don't need another monitor.  I suppose
>> it's not a refurb and the Dell warranty applies.
>>
>> Hopefully, BTW, this thread is useful enough to the AccessD community
>> that the moderator will let it play out.
>>
>> And my thanks to all who responded.  It's been educational.
>>
>> Best to all,
>>
>> Rocky
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill Patten
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 8:25 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Shopping for a new comp
>>
>> Hi Rocky,
>>
>> I know you are now considering building your own, and as many have
>> suggested that can be fun, though sometime's not when the some of the
>> pieces don't work together and you get to exchange for some that will.
>>
>> You mentioned that you were considering Dell, I bought a Dell XPS 410
>> a few years ago, and as time went on, changed the processor to a Quad
>> Core, increased Ram to 8G, even though the book said only 4. I
>> replaced the 2 250G Raid 0 hard drives with 2 80 G SSD's Raid 0 and a
>> 500G drive D: etc to keep it fairly fast and current and am quite
>> happy
> with it.
>>
>> Anyway I saw this Gear Deal on Gear Diary and thought it might
>> interest
> you.
>> They have Dell XPS 8300 with I5  Quad Sandy Bridge , 8G Ram 1.5 TB etc
>
>> for $699.99. The normal Dell price is $1202. They also offer I7 and
>> other upgrades.
>>
>> I have never purchased anything from them so I cannot make a
>> recommendation but thought you might want to take a few minutes to
>> check
> it  out.
>>
>> http://www.geardiary.com/2011/06/14/gear-deal-dell-xps-8300-quad-core-
>> deskto
>> ps-core-i5-and-i7/
>>
>>
>>
>> Bill
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Rocky Smolin"<rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
>> Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 1:58 PM
>> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Shopping for a new comp
>>
>> So what's the processor of choice?
>>
>> Rocky
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
>> Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 10:22 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Shopping for a new comp
>>
>> I concur with John too!  ;)
>>
>> I know that for folks who have never built a machine it is scary but
>> once you get over that (unless something goes wrong... it is trivial
>> to build) the ability to upgrade and the future lack of fear makes it
>> well worth doing.
>>
>> I routinely upgrade my existing systems.  Dual core to quad, to hex, 2
>
>> gigs to 4 to 8, 320g hd to tbyte etc.  It costs waaaaaay less that
>> buying a whole new machine and you can continually have fast systems
>> instead of systems that are always old / slow (after the first year
>> you
> have them).
>>
>> I built a dual socket server with 16 dim slots.
>>
>> I populated one side with the old opteron 8 core and 32 gigs of ram.
>> The mb/proc/memory was around $1700.  I am (im)patiently waiting for
>> the bulldozer chip to arrive and drop in price, but when it does I can
>
>> drop in one or two of those chips and bump my server from 8 cores to
>> as many as 32, with faster processors to boot and update my memory up
>> to
> 128 gigs as well.
>>
>> I can't even tell you how much I saved by not going the dell/hp route,
>
>> but it would be at *least*
>> 3-4 times as much and 4-5 times as much for future upgrades.
>>
>> And... I used my old server hardware to build a Virtual Machine
>> server.  I got a 16GB quad core VM for *free* because I reused my old
>> SQL Server hardware for that after the upgrade.
>>
>> BTW I am using SSDs both for boot drives as well as for storing
>> database files for SQL Server and they are awesome (if expensive).
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>
>> On 6/13/2011 12:22 PM, Drew Wutka wrote:
>>> I concur with John here.  From a business standpoint, if you are
>>> supporting a large network, you can't afford to build each machine.
>>> But in a single or only a few environment, you will get better prices
>
>>> with building your own machine, then a single purchase from a
>>> manufacturer like Dell.
>>>
>>> The machine I built in January, that I posted about on OT, cost me
>>> about a grand, and similar hardware, actually.... lower level
>>> hardware (my machine has more ram and bigger hard drives), cost about
>
>>> 1,600 from Dell.
>>>
>>> Originally, the machine I built only cost $650.  That was the case,
>>> the motherboard, an i5 Quad Core, 8 gigs of RAM, video card, and two
>>> 500 gig hard drives.  I already had a 500 watt power supply, only
>>> component I didn't originally buy.  A few days later I bought three
>>> terabyte drives,
>>> 8 gigs more of RAM (maxing out that motherboard).  That was almost
> $300.
>>> And more recently I popped another terabyte drive in (making my
> 'data'
>>> drive a RAID 10, vs a RAID 5), bought a new 850 Watt power supply,
>>> and a nice UPS (put the total closer to 1300, the ups was almost
> 200).
>>>
>>> There has already been suggestions to use a SSD OS drive, I
>>> personally have not done that.  The mirrored drives for the OS are
>>> pretty
> fast.
>>> While SSD drive are definitely faster than their mechanical
>>> counterparts, they are still limited by the bus they operate on.
>>> Plus, SSD drives do have longevity issues, and are not recommended
>>> for
>> RAID's.
>>> I always prefer RAIDS for safety reasons.... ;)
>>>
>>> Drew
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
>>> Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2011 12:12 PM
>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Shopping for a new comp
>>>
>>> I would advise building your own.  You may or may not save money but
>>> you learn what is required to do so (it is easy) and you are no
>>> longer afraid of digging in and upgrading.  I have not purchased a
>>> desktop since 1988.  I build my own and upgrade them to keep them
>>> fast
> enough.
>>>
>>> I recommend AMD because the motherboards tend to be usable for many
>>> years with just a processor upgrade.
>>>
>>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.
>>> 6
>>> 67
>>> 457
>>>
>>>
>>> Intel processors are fine but there are just too many different
>>> processor sockets etc.  Upgrading to a faster processor may or may
>>> not even be possible.
>>>
>>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.
>>> 6
>>> 61
>>> 393
>>>
>>> http://www.newegg.com/Store/MasterComboStore.aspx?StoreID=7&name=DIY-
>>> P
>>> C-
>>> Combos
>>>
>>> John W. Colby
>>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
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