John Bartow
john at winhaven.net
Fri May 13 09:05:38 CDT 2011
Jim, I agree with your post. It got me to wonder though - does Sage have something that will make it work? John B. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 5:51 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 32 vs 64-bit The 64 bit version is not going to work under a 32 bit OS. And I would be surprised if the 32 bit version of the 2010 runtime would work on a machine that had 64 bit office installed. The Access "runtime" is not what one typically thinks of as a "runtime", which is a minimal install of some DLLs to provide basic support. It's a full install of Access and some Office components. Given that we have *always* dealt with issues installing multiple versions of Access on a machine (even when installed in separate directories), I would not expect anything different here. And it's the reason why Sage install scripts have been so popular in the Access world; it's the only way you could isolate different versions. Microsoft has said that 64 bit and 32 bit Office apps cannot be mixed in any way. I highly doubt the runtime would be any different. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darrell Burns Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2011 07:01 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 32 vs 64-bit Hmmm...so if the 32-bit runtime works in any environment, is there any advantage to the 64 version? And would it run on a 32-bit machine? -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2011 3:25 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 32 vs 64-bit There is a 64-bit Access 2010 runtime: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/en/details.aspx?FamilyID=57A350CD-5250-4D F6-BFD1-6CED700A6715&displaylang=en Bobby -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Murphy Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2011 2:42 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 32 vs 64-bit For folks who may face this situation that originated this thread. I have an Access 2002 runtime working on a Windows 7 64 machine in parallel with a full install of Office 10. This the 32 bit version of Office not 64. As others have said, stay away from Office 2010 64. So if you have an Access application to run on a machine with the 64 bit version of Office I'd suggest using the runtime for whatever version of Access the application was developed in. Doug -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 12:44 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 32 vs 64-bit But that isn't what was asked, what was asked is if you could Uninstall Access x64 (leaving the rest of Office x64 in place), and then installing just Access 32 bit. I don't think it will let that happen. Of course, I'm not expert on this, I haven't tried doing it, but it's an well educated guess that it won't work. Installing the run time may or may not work, I am not sure. Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Murphy Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 1:06 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 32 vs 64-bit Drew, I don't think that is correct. The runtime will install in the x86 programs directory. This should work just like installing two different versions of Access on the same machine. Doug -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 10:44 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 32 vs 64-bit No, not on the same machine. You could install 64 bit on the machine, and then 32 bit in a virtual machine (like XP Mode for Windows 7), but the two cannot co-exist on the same computer. Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darrell Burns Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 12:23 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 32 vs 64-bit Just to be clear on this, if I install Office 2010 64-bit I get Access 64-bit and if I install Office 2010 32-bit I get Access 32-bit, right? Is it possible to uninstall Access 64-bit and substitute Access 2010 32-bit? --DB -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 10:07 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 32 vs 64-bit Well Access 2010 x64 IS 64 bit, CODE WISE, so if you create a Long integer, it is a 64 bit number. They just didn't create a 64 bit Database inside it... yet. Because a 64 bit database would be unusable to a 32 bit version of Access. That wouldn't fly at all, it's one thing for the interface to not work between 32 bit and 64 bit versions, but for the data to be unusable between version would never fly. Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darrell Burns Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 11:37 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 32 vs 64-bit Thanx to all of you who jumped in on this thread. I don't know why my client installed Office 64-bit. Regardless of why, that's what they've got and there ain't nothin I can do about it. What I wasn't aware of is that Access 2010 is NOT 64-bit. Anyway, I found the reason why my runtime app won't work...because I converted it to accde first. According to TechNet: "Databases that have had their source code removed (such as .mde, .ade, and .accde files) cannot be moved between 32-bit and 64-bit editions of Office 2010. Such databases that are created by using 32-bit Office (any version) can be used only with 32-bit Office, and a database that is created on 64-bit Office can be used only on 64-bit Office." So, if A2010 is 32-bit does that mean even if I create an accde from A2010 and package as a runtime it still won't run in Office 64? --DB -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 8:36 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 32 vs 64-bit What did you install it on? On a NICE system, it does perform better than 32 bit Offices. But the true 'performance' is the ability to go beyond the 32 bit restrictions. But it looks like Access 2010 is stuck with the 2007 Access db version, so it doesn't have a 64 bit database version. (Imagine 64 bit integer fields, a 64 bit Currency field!!!) Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 10:18 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 32 vs 64-bit Problems. Little if any support for 3rd party add-ins, Active X controls, etc. I installed it once (MSDN) and it made no difference in performance so I canned it. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 9:52 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 32 vs 64-bit John, >> Microsoft does everything they can to encourage people not to use it. >> << Fascinating. Why is that? Steve Erbach Neenah, WI On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 9:35 AM, John Bartow <john at winhaven.net> wrote: > Hi Darrell, > I'd be interested in the reason they use 64 bit Office. Microsoft does > everything they can to encourage people not to use it. > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darrell > Burns > Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 8:03 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: [AccessD] Access 32 vs 64-bit > > Hello. I developed a 32-bit Access 2007 app with VBA code that uses > DAO exclusively for data access and has no add-ins. My client has > Windows 7 64-bit PCs running Office 2010 64-bit. I delivered the app > as a 2007 runtime package and it didn't work at their place. > The app runs fine on my WinServer2008 machine with Office 2010 32-bit, > but I haven't tested it under Office 2010 64-bit. > Since my other clients are still operating in the 32-bit world, I > can't abandon the 32-bit version. > Is there a way to satisfy both worlds with just one version? -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com