Salakhetdinov Shamil
mcp2004 at mail.ru
Tue Jan 31 15:33:56 CST 2012
Hi John -- > This has been going on for thousands of years Yes, I know (we were taught worldwide history and geography here for 6 years in secondary school starting year 7000-5000BC, including ancient Egypt, Middle East, China, Japan etc. - that was and still is a good education system for the one who wanted to learn...) And "Globalization" has just got accelerated enormously during the last 20 years - that what I meant... > India wins, China wins. The US loses Small US businesses could be loosing but US and Western Europe corporations and US and Western Europe countries, and now China and India corporations and countries do win I suppose. After all "Chinese Miracle" arose thirty years ago "fueled" by Chinese Communist Party "wise communism and capitalism cooperation politics" and then it was grown all the last thirty years by US and Western Europe corporations moving jobs and money oversees driven by "capitalistic greed"... And if you only know how many key industries' factories and businesses are owned and governed by US and Western corporations here in Russia, if you only know... Putin is just playing fool for "mere mortals" here and there - "divide and conquer" your know... Something like that... Thank you. -- Shamil 31 января 2012, 23:24 от jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>: > The drive towards the "global village" began thousands of years ago with sailing fleets, which could > "efficiently" move goods from place to place. Steamships and carbon fuel sped up the movement and > efficiency. Railroads likewise. America runs on truck fleets. Efficient transportation is the key > to this trend. > > > This World has been made a "Global Village" driven by large corporations - it will take another > 50-100 or more years till the labor productivity/efficiency and life level will become comparable > worldwide - and we happened to live in "changing times" to witness how this World gets more and > more opened - aren't we lucky? :) > > From the "Macro" view you are right Shamil, and long term it is a good thing (for people) and a bad > thing (for the earth). Jobs moving mean money moving. The destination population makes more and > their standard of living rises. They buy more which causes an increase in demand for goods (there). > The standard of living falls where the jobs left, causing a mathematical "tend" towards income > equalization, and a decrease in demand for goods (there). > > The biggest problem is when enormous, rapidly growing populations exist, populations which can > effectively absorb every job available. China has made huge strides in controlling their population > growth, India not so much. > > Walmart is the great equalizer. Buy for the lowest price possible and move the goods to where the > demand is. Behind the model is cheap labor, cheap transportation, cheap resources. Visualize those > three things as the legs of a triangle. The jobs exist at the center. As any leg or combination of > legs changes size, the center of the triangle shifts, jobs move. This has been going on for > thousands of years. > > For IT, transportation is the internet. That leg has effectively been shortened to zero. The > Resources leg is educated labor. Lots of (poor) people and a good education system creates a > valuable product - lots of educated underpaid people. India wins, China wins. The US loses > (average income too high, mediocre educational system). > > Of course this is just a model but it fits many of the observations. > > John W. Colby > Colby Consulting > > Reality is what refuses to go away > when you do not believe in it > > On 1/31/2012 11:34 AM, Salakhetdinov Shamil wrote: > > Hi Mark -- > > > >> All of these are valid reasons to leave the industry. > > One can find reasons to leave any/most of the industries these days - you say "Inidianazation of IT", I can say Tajikistanization, Uzbekinistanazation,,, (name all of ex-USSR republics as well as Chinese and even Vietnamese workers) of building business of all kinds and many other real businesses - guest-workers have got "flooded" Russia, and of course they agree to work based on ridiculous pay rate... > > > > ... but as JC say - you have the luxury to find strong small businesses there whose business will be driven by your custom development - and then you'll be safe, and there will be no need to leave our industry - just keep looking for such businesses :) > > > >> The other development lately has been major corps forcing everyone into W2 > >> contracts instead of more favorable 1099 or corp-to-corp arrangements. > > One can say this is "lightweight" maphia, another one will say - equal opportunity employment - both will be right. > > This World has been made a "Global Village" driven by large corporations - it will take another 50-100 or more years till the labor productivity/efficiency and life level will become comparable worldwide - and we happened to live in "changing times" to witness how this World gets more and more opened - aren't we lucky? :) > > > > Thank you. > > > > -- Shamil > > > > > > 31 января 2012, 18:57 от "Mark Simms"<marksimms at verizon.net>: > >> Very profound Shamil...and your experience with the busted development teams > >> is quite a tell with regards to the recent problems in the industry. > >> The Freedom aspect is interesting: in my current case, I've two > >> work-at-home-office contracts....which does provide for some freedom....er at > >> least "flexibility" i.e. working at 3 am to spend time AM to work-out at the > >> gym, etc. > >> When I was on remote contract, it really stunk: no flexibility, long commute, > >> lots of stress, lowered my health...I put on 10 lbs ! Of course, I had little > >> time to work-out....which I think is essential for this stressful business. > >> > >> Lately, I'm been getting some ridiculous offers to work at remote locations > >> several hundred miles away....with no compensation for travel or stay over > >> night expenses. After expenses, I'd be making like $30/hr ! I guess there's a > >> lot of desperate programmers out there. > >> The other development lately has been major corps forcing everyone into W2 > >> contracts instead of more favorable 1099 or corp-to-corp arrangements. > >> All of these are valid reasons to leave the industry. > >> > >> -- > >> AccessD mailing list > >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > >> > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >