Doug Steele
dbdoug at gmail.com
Mon Jul 2 22:12:44 CDT 2012
Here you go, John. Windows 8 (officially!) for $40. You can be the guinea pig. Let us know how it works out :) http://windowsteamblog.com/windows/b/bloggingwindows/archive/2012/07/02/upgrade-to-windows-8-pro-for-39-99.aspx?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter Doug On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 11:49 PM, Hans-Christian Andersen < hans.andersen at phulse.com> wrote: > > Fair enough. However, given my experience, a lot of my answers are going > to involve Linux (which I suppose isn't exactly helpful for an 'Access > Developers' mailing list :-| ). > > > Do you have any idea what that sounds like to me? Are you even speaking > English? It sounds like you are coughing up a tarball. ;) (tarball is > about as much as I know about Linux!) > > Lol! That reminds me of the old joke about Unix commands, but it might > perhaps be a little too explicit for this mailing list (considering that > our email exchanges are publicly published). > > Hans > > > > On 2012-07-01, at 9:49 PM, jwcolby wrote: > > > Yep, for a shop already familiar with Linux what you say makes absolute > sense. For me it makes no sense at all, believe me. > > > > It takes a mere 2 hours of my time spent trying to do the Linux thing to > pay for the 4 copies of Windows I purchased. About two years ago I spent > waaaay more than that trying to get any version of Linux installed under > Hyper-V and failed. > > > > In the end, it simply doesn't matter that Microsoft makes no effort to > get Linux running under Hyper-V, what matters is that I know and can do > Hyper-V Windows XYZ VMs in a matter of minutes, whereas Linux would be a > huge time suck which I can ill afford. > > > > Emulators are wonderful things. I am constantly amazed that VMs work at > all. But to run a linux vm and then run Wine in that to try and avoid > paying $30 (or $120) doesn't make any sense to me. I cannot imagine that I > could get Linux machines running and then get wine running in that and then > get my app running in that in less than a week, and it could stretch into > many weeks given I know absolutely nothing about Linux. > > > > I already have Hyper-V running, have learned how to make it work, and > have used it for several years. I already have VMs running for my dev > machine running C# and SQL Server, where I do my coding. > > > > Since all of my business is with clients running Microsoft software, and > since I have spent 30 years learning Microsoft software, and the last 5 > years learning SQL Server and C#, what is the point? > > > > I understand that those who have a business reason to go with Linux are > distraught that the rest of the world blindly continues to run MS products > but that is the world my clients live in and thus the world I live in. I > will never convince my clients to stop using their sql server and Office > and it is not my business to even try to do so. > > > > So when I found a license for a stripped down Windows 2008 for $30 I > jumped on it. I don't think I have ever seen a license for ANY version of > windows for $30! It certainly appears to do what I need. We shall see. > > > > > Well, you have options. FoxPro for Windows can run fine under Wine + > Linux/FreeBSD. Also, FoxPro 2.6 for Unix can be installed on Linux and > FreeBSD using the Intel Binary Compatibility Standard (ibcs2) support > library. > > > > Do you have any idea what that sounds like to me? Are you even speaking > English? It sounds like you are coughing up a tarball. ;) (tarball is > about as much as I know about Linux!) > > > > John W. Colby > > Colby Consulting > > > > Reality is what refuses to go away > > when you do not believe in it > > > > > > On 7/1/2012 11:47 PM, Hans-Christian Andersen wrote: > >> > >>> I need virtual machines which run a Foxpro for Windows application > purchased from a vendor. I purchased these $30 licenses for Windows to run > in those virtual machines. I already have one of the VMs up and running > one of these cheap licenses. > >> > >> Well, you have options. FoxPro for Windows can run fine under Wine + > Linux/FreeBSD. Also, FoxPro 2.6 for Unix can be installed on Linux and > FreeBSD using the Intel Binary Compatibility Standard (ibcs2) support > library. > >> > >>> If you are talking about Linux, then free isn't exactly free since I > have to spend dozens if not hundreds of hours getting myself up to speed on > something I don't use, then getting them to run (running Linux in Hyper-V > was non-trivial, I have tried), then getting something like Wine to emulate > windows then dealing with any headaches of incompatibility... > >> > >> We could be talking about FreeBSD as well and, yes, they are both truly > free in every sense of the word. If you haven't got the spare time to learn > something new or your specifications are too restricting, then this is > obviously going to have to be a problem you throw money at. Also, I > certainly can't speak about HyperV - it is a Microsoft technology, so we > know who is at issue if other operating systems are unable to run under it. > :) There are plenty of other options you could choose to go with instead > (VirtualBox, VMWare, etc). > >> > >> Regarding Wine, the great thing about free is that it only takes 10-15 > minutes of your time to actually try it to find out if there are any > incompatibility issues (but, imo, I'm 99.9% certain you won't have any > issues). > >> > >> In any event, $120 may have worth it to you and it may be cheap > compared to what you are used to paying, but it's still not cheap overall. > To put things into perspective, $30 is the same price Apple charges for > their entire operating system without limitations and Apple users are the > ones we normally associate with spending too much money on things. > >> > >> I'm not recommending you do anything differently, I just think it's a > shame you have to spend that much money on something that is a product with > deliberate limitations just to run a single application on each, when there > are free alternatives out there which are just as good (or better, > depending on who you ask). > >> > >> Hans > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >