[AccessD] The list

As a relatively recent join to this group, I do not use Access in any professional sense (nor any Microsoft technology, for that matter), but I joined because I was interested in the more off topic discussions with other tech curious members and the occasional debates.

I don't see why it can't continue along those lines? It's also nice to have a group, where many of its members have known each other for some time, and to be in a group of experienced professionals, rather than being in a less experienced, but heavily opinionated (as it tends to be) crowd.



- Hans


On 2012-09-17, at 9:36 AM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:

> > The consensus was to let AccessD wither through inaction. One year later, I agree with Tony: the group's plan worked, and AccessD has withered.
> 
> My recollection was to have you and Tony come up with a plan of action to cause Microsoft to enhance the product such that there was a massive new buzz and, with millions of Access jobs pouring out of the re-invigorated market for Access, to cause developers to start pouring into the list.
> 
> It seems that you  have failed in your charge.  We shall flog you with a cat-o-nines as soon as we discover where in the world you may be located - and where to find a cat-o-nines.
> 
> I wrote a lucid and realistic explanation of why the list existed to begin with (I was around at the beginning, and I kinda remember why we were there and what was being discussed) and why it is not so active any more.  You can throw whiz-bang technologies at the problem till the digital cows come home but if there is nothing being done in the platform, it is unlikely that there will be a ton of traffic on a developer list for the platform.
> 
> In light of this I concur with your new rules, paraphrased a bit.
> 
> 1) We admit that Access has withered on the vine.
> 2) We admit that Microsoft, with malice and forethought, intentionally allowed Access to die as a development platform.
> 3) Given points 1 and 2, we loosen the rules to explicitly allow more chat, keeping the topics to something technical remotely related to databases or programming.
> 4) We quit flogging the list for not forcing Microsoft to make Access more relevant to Databases and therefore to us.
> 5) We horsewhip you and Tony for your failures mentioned above.
> 6) We re-task yourself and Tony to do whatever you believe would turn this list back into a burgeoning and lively place to discuss stuff, paying you handsomely if you manage to do so.
> 
> Sound good?
> 
> Or... we are a publicly held company.  You could call a meeting of the board and demand changes.  It would be good to have solid plans for such changes, but I am certain that the board would entertain your requests.
> 
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> 
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
> 
> On 9/17/2012 11:16 AM, Kenneth Ismert wrote:
>> As I recall, we had a discussion about a year ago about the decline of the
>> list. Options were discussed, but no action was taken.
>> 
>> The consensus was to let AccessD wither through inaction. One year later, I
>> agree with Tony: the group's plan worked, and AccessD has withered.
>> 
>> So, even though there are a multitude of open source web platforms that
>> could be used to re-purpose and invigorate the list, I again sense that the
>> group consensus is to do nothing.
>> 
>> In light of this, I propose new rules:
>>  * We drop all requirements for topicality. This is a social group only.
>> The only rule is that on every 100th post someone writes 'Access'
>>  * Every year or so, another long-standing member must complain about the
>> decline of the list
>>  * Everyone else further agrees to discount the complaint, and deny that
>> anything can be done about the decline
>> 
>> Let's stop kidding ourselves here, and acknowledge what we have made the
>> group into.
>> 
>> -Ken
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