Jim Dettman
jimdettman at verizon.net
Tue Sep 18 11:56:16 CDT 2012
John, <<They can be as its a to pay to play site. >> That's a common misconception; it's only pay if you don't contribute. EE in the past was not as forth right as they should have been with that and many of us complained. Now it's up front on the sign-up page; answer about three questions a month or pay. I've been on EE 13 years and haven't paid a dime to date. <<Many people (I was one) think that if you pay for something it's going to be better. >> That's the other misconception, which we haven't done as well with; the fact that paying gets you nothing other then access to the site. Too many people believe that paying gets them something beyond that, which it does not. In regards to your comments to gustav, I don't disagree with any of it. I'd be the first to admit that over the years EE has changed drastically from what it once was. Back when I first joined, it was as tight knit as the group is here. But as it's grown over the years, it's lost much of that small town feel and has attracted a lot of riff-raft in the process. Paywall keeps a lot out, but we still get our fair share. And since there are over three million members and only a couple hundred on the volunteer admin/moderator staff, there's a lot that flies under the radar now. But what a lot of people don't realize is that the feel from one topic area to the next varies greatly and just as it is here, it depends on who's visiting. Were fortunate in the Access area to have a number of dedicated people who generally keep the lid on things, but the sheer volume does present challenges and we certainly get our fair share of Google Monkeys. One fairly recent addition that has helped tremendously is the "Request attention" button in questions, which gets the attention of a moderator. That has helped a lot in self-policing. But it can be a wild and woolly place at times even so and I won't argue that nor that the points race contributes to that. I was one of the chief complainers when they went to the unlimited points system for members, which is when it got really crazy. But it's no different then stack overflow or any other site (even the Microsoft ones) that vote things up/down, grade, or rate comments. What you do (like I do) is simply ignore it. That's why I'm in the middle of the pack, no longer in the top 100, etc.; points are not important to me. I just enjoy helping people when I can and learning things along the way. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 11:17 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] The list Hi Jim, EE's marketing is fairly aggressive. They can be as its a to pay to play site. Many people (I was one) think that if you pay for something it's going to be better. Also in today's world I think the younger people aren't as interested in email based lists as they are in forums. I'll never understand this as I can get email responses on my phone much easier than having to go to the website. When we discussed doing DBA forums a few years ago we got a resounding NO from our listers. And as I've implied before, nothing wrong with using more than one source! -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 7:25 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] The list John, Guess it depends on which ones you look at; saw one this morning about problems with Access 2003 under Windows Server 2008 R2; I'm sure interested in that. There have been a multitude on running Access in 64 bit Office, which is quite relevant as are those regarding SharePoint. And there are questions on SQL, programming techniques, classes (always think of you of course), etc., all the time. Some are quite simple and answered by Google monkeys, but many are not and answered by some very knowledgeable Access folks. Honestly many of you knock it, but none of you that I'm aware of outside of gustav has really given it a go. But there's no doubt in my mind that the range of questions is far greater then those here and certainly the volume is greater. Also the ability to upload DB's, screenshots, etc is very helpful. Chatter there however is only allowed in the lounge and one discussion thread we keep open for Access. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 10:50 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] The list LOL, and not a single one that I am remotely interested in. OTOH I just responded to a friend on this list. Yea, it was just chatter. Oh well. John W. Colby Colby Consulting Reality is what refuses to go away when you do not believe in it On 9/17/2012 3:54 PM, Jim Dettman wrote: > <<A quick look at StackOverflow shows about 125 questions submitted in > the last 7 days on all Access topics.>> > > FWIW, there have been 309 questions in the last 7 days on Experts-Exchange. > > Jim. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com