Steve Goodhall
steve at goodhall.info
Wed Sep 19 15:13:43 CDT 2012
GM is no longer the largest company in the world, but it is kind of big. It also does a lot of open source including Apache, Struts, etc. No PostgreSql, but some MySQL. Steve Goodhall, MSCS, PMP -----Original message----- From: Robert Stewart <rls at WeBeDb.com> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Sent: Wed, Sep 19, 2012 19:56:46 GMT+00:00 Subject: Re: [AccessD] HTML5 mobile-friendly web sites vs. native Jim, I have made my living doing MS based applications for the last 20 years or so. Before that, I was in a totally different career, wholesale agriculture. I will not do OPEN source stuff. I know of no large corporations that are using it. I do not see job openings for PostgreSql developers for example. So, I will stick with MS based technologies. I am pissed about Silverlight because they finally got web development right with it. I really did not care if it ran under a Mac or an iPad or not. They could go a buy a real computer if they wanted to use a site I built. And, I still feel that way about it. ASP.net is a kludge. It is like developing with a hammer and chisel. I guess that I am stubborn. But then again, I can be. I work at a full time job as a DBA. I teach MS development at a local user group once a month, www.dbguidesign.com. I refuse to use Javascript. HTML is ok if you have to use ASP.net. If browsers actually supported HTML5, that might be even better. For those of you that are interested, we do a GoToMeeting each month for the meeting also. If you want to be emailed about it, let me know and I will add you to the group email list. I love WPF. I think of it as MS Access on steroids. You can do so much with it. And if you look at it like that, you can go far with it. One of the guys that attends the group I teach has even built a code generator that will build the screens and code behind for you based on pointing his generator to a table in a database. When you dig into it. It is extremely powerful and can be made very user friendly to the end user. After the first of the year, I am going to start a series on Win 8 development. And there are a lot of "standards" to be followed there. And, finally as a comparison of "open standards" products, would you run your business with Open Office? It is pretty much a joke for serious work. Would you compare it's database product to MS Access and develop in it? I don't think so. At 01:57 PM 9/19/2012, you wrote: >Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 09:35:43 -0700 >From: "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca> >To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com> >Subject: Re: [AccessD] HTML5 mobile-friendly web sites vs. native > mobile apps - Was:Re: Bootcamp or Paralells - was RE: OT: > iPhone/iPaddevelopment on an MS Windows PC - noway? >Message-ID: > <5668E7D3A9004E27AB83AC82223E6D6B at creativesystemdesigns.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >Hi Shamil: > >Just some clarification here first: Apple is not a software company, it is a >hardware company. Even the core to Apple PCs are borrowed from OpenBSD (OSS >Unix/Linux) software...it is more like any other Linux distro. > >You are right that fixed dictated standards are restricting but the phrase >is OPEN standards. These are not hard and fast but they are agreements >within the entire industry. > >Just like electricity coming to your house. If every supplier put their own >standard on the delivery, cycles, power-levels etc, no one would be able to >trust the functionality of their equipment. Right now there are four major >electric standards in the world, each has different set of plugs but there >are universal transformers so I know my laptop will work whether I am in >Canada/US, in Europe/Russia, Britain (they are weird ;-)) or in Japan/China. > >The computer industry, by necessity is the same thing. > >I think in this industry a developer, starting out, has to first have and >keep a solid background in the Open Standards products...that for the most >cases will be their "bread and butter"...the long-term meal ticket. Then and >only then a developer should specialize...realizing of course that all >proprietary languages on custom platforms have a relative short lifespan and >the technology could get dumped at a moments notice. > >Case in point: I know more dead-languages than live ones. I used to be a SCO >senior product re-seller and a CNE (Certified Novell Engineer) but we all >know what happened to SCO and Novell when the OSS product, Linux hit the >market. Access is not dead but can you imagine where it would be at if it >was a OSS product and not being restricted by the whims of the owner. > >In summary; Open Standards and the associated Open Source products offer >greater diversity and opportunities in the long term. Proprietary software >may offer fast larger profits but they are short-term...ten years maximum >generally less. As long as you balance those facts, what ever development >environment you decide on and what level of risk you are most comfortable >with will work. > >Jim Robert L. Stewart Any fool can write code that a computer can understand. Good programmers write code that humans can understand. --Martin Fowler www.WeBeDb.com www.DBGUIDesign.com www.RLStewartPhotography.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com