[AccessD] Light Table IDE

Hasn't Microsoft announced that there will no longer be express versions of visual studio that supports c# etc and it only allows metro app development? (Meaning you'd have to stick to an older version of visual studio)

Is VS really the best IDE out there? It has some neat features and its really helpful to novice programmers, who need a lot of hand holding, but personally I prefer my ide to be minimalist, with light memory footprint and fast. I'll do source control and compiling via the command line thank you very much. I prefer something like sublime or even just straight to vim/nano.

- Hans


On 2012-09-20, at 2:00 PM, Robert Stewart <rls at WeBeDb.com> wrote:

> I guess that none of you ever heard of the "Express" versions of VB, C#, Web
> Developer, and SQL Server, all of which  are  FREE.
> 
> The real cost is your time and energy.  If you want to learn it and want to
> put in the time and energy. the jobs and work is out there for it.
> 
> I guess I have been sheltered.  The only companies than used other than
> Windows for an operating system were using Unix for their Oracle databases.
> 
> 
> 
> At 11:11 AM 9/20/2012, you wrote:
>> Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 09:11:26 -0700
>> From: "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca>
>> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>>        <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Light Table IDE (Vimeo.com) - Was:Re: HTML5
>>        mobile-friendly web sites vs. native
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>> 
>> Hi Shamil:
>> 
>> Right now, the best IDE for C# is Microsoft's offering.
>> 
>> The prices are pretty high; from 1K for entrance level package and up to 5K
>> for the full-blown enterprise version. The packages may be well worth it but
>> when getting any of them you are truly committed. If MS decides not to allow
>> their package results to be compatible with the rest of the industry then a
>> developer may find themselves on a dead-end street or/and rebuilding the
>> resultant forms by hand and you are back to square one wondering why you
>> have been buying all these upgrades every year.
>> 
>> An aside from my personal observations: The current problem with the
>> industry, as far as Microsoft is related, is that for every young student
>> graduating from university with degrees in computer science maybe only one
>> in thirty (50, more?...) is equiped to work with MS products. Young geeks
>> have no money, so they learn programming and development on cheap and free
>> products and that continues right through university as universities have no
>> money either. The best students come out knowing how to program in C, PHP,
>> Java, Ruby, Python, databases like MySQL, Postgress and Cassandra, on
>> platforms like Linux and Unix and knowledge of only how to build web
>> applications...
>> 
>> Microsoft has stopped giving free introduction, training programs and access
>> to their beta application at the universities. This is a problem for
>> Microsoft if they want to be anything more than just sellers of their office
>> products and the trainer of integrators, they are going to have to, again,
>> be a lot more pro-active...just look at their competition.
>> 
>> Jim
> 
> Robert L. Stewart
> 
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