Brad Marks
BradM at blackforestltd.com
Thu Aug 8 12:54:24 CDT 2013
Rocky, I have two sons and in most cases, they are right :-) It is my understanding the Basic4Android feels like VB for the development side but then is translated into Java for the deployment side. Again, this is all new to me. For the little application that I am working on, I have no concerns about performance. There is a nice Basic4Android online community forum. I would think that people with more experience could address the performance issue if there is one. I have read in several places that building an Android ap with Java is about 10 times more complicated than building it with B4A. Good luck in your new adventures. Brad -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2013 12:32 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons - Basic4Android and TechBasic So-called because: Q: What does a bus man do on vacation? A: Takes a bus trip. :) I think I told everyone my commercial product E-Z_MRP was acquired last spring and so now I'm working only like 1/2 a day to support some other clients I do Access for. Try desperately to retire. :) So, first thing after escrow closed I got this idea for an app - Android, of course. The list has steered me B4A as a good product with a short learning curve for Access drop-outs. My geek-son though looks down his nose at it - says I should write the app in Java - that a compiled and interpreted app will have performance issues and screen resizing problems. Anybody know if these are the cases? Rocky -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2013 10:10 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons - Basic4Android and TechBasic Rocky, I wasn't sure what a 'bus man's holiday' was so I looked it up. busman's holiday n. Informal A vacation during which one engages in activity that is similar to one's usual work. For the past 5 years, my wife and I have spent the month of July at the College of St. Scholastica in Duluth, MN. I call these months my "Sabbaticals". During these periods, I goof around with software that I don't seem to find time for during the rest of the year. It is a pretty laid back time, but I have been amazed by how much I can learn and how much fun I can have during these times. Brad -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Rocky Smolin Sent: Thu 8/8/2013 11:57 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons - Basic4Android and TechBasic Good to know. My first 'bus man's holiday' will probably be with B4A. R -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Brad Marks Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2013 9:20 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons - Basic4Android and TechBasic Rocky, I recently did some fun R&D work in the world of iDevices and Android devices. These realms were completely new to me. I wanted to build a simple "tablet application" to collect a small amount of data and then FTP the data so that I could get at it from a Windows Server (to control an Microsoft Access "Reporting Application"). I purchased both Basic4Android and TechBasic (for the Apple realm). Both products are inexpensive, but quite powerful. I was able to build the little FTP application for both the Apple world and the Android world quite easily. As I recall, Basic4Android was $34 (on sale from $50) TechBasic was only $12.00, but to deploy on additional Apple devices requires a second $50 product and as I understand it, there is a $100/year charge from Apple for a "Developers License". Anyway, I have had some fun with these two products. I am amazed by the capabilities of both products considering the small costs. Both products have the "feel" of Visual Basic. Brad -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Tony Septav Sent: Thu 8/8/2013 10:41 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons Hey Rocky I bought into Alpha Five and everything Arthur has said is true, it blows the socks off of Access (what ever version). The only problem I find with the company, is once they have you hooked they want you to upgrade to their new products at a "price". I have seen this before and I do not like it. Tony Septav Nanaimo, BC Canada -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: August-07-13 11:22 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons OK - that's the kind of advice I was looking for. I wanted to go for tuba, but it went with a divorce so I dropped that idea. R -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John R Bartow Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 4:24 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons Were I you, I'd go with a woodwind next ;-) -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 6:00 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons I've got a full Alpha as well as Basic 4 Android. If I wanted to develop a fairly simple app, no database, to deploy on tablet and phone, which one would be best to learn? R -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John R Bartow Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 9:06 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons Arthur, Good job! I've had a client ask me to upgrade an app "so its work like a browser does". jb -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 7:03 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons You are right about that Gustav! I have tended to go for the "URL-like" path in recent apps, and it seems to work. Users surf the net constantly and the more they surf, the better they appreciate my efforts to resemble that experience. Speaking of which, you have to check out the trial of Alpha Anywhere. This is the killer app for multi-platform (desk, web, tablet, phone) development. You can get a trial at alphasoftware.com. I think there is no better development platform than this. On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 5:36 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote: > Hi Rocky > > Except if your current buttons are ugly, which I guess not, you should > advise him to spend his limited time on more important things - items > that will raise productivity for example. > Users want neat not fancy design, and 3D buttons are so much yesterday > - like those of Access 1.x and 2.0. Even Apple with their revised UI > design for the next iPhone knows this. > > I still recall the ugly standard buttons Borland came up with in > Delphi ... > those with a big green checkmark and a big red cross cartoon-style > overlay for the OK and Cancel buttons. > > /gustav > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] På vegne af Rocky Smolin > Sendt: 7. august 2013 02:35 > Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Emne: [AccessD] Better Looking Buttons > > Dear List: > > A client writes: "I would like to try and make the various buttons > more three dimensional looking. Examples from Apple are in Exhibit K. > Can we do something like this?" > > He's looking to give the command buttons a little sizzle. He's > considering making the app I wrote to run his business into a > commercial app. > > Any ideas? > > MTIA > > Rocky Smolin > Beach Access Software > 858-259-4334 > www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> www.e-z-mrp.com > <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/> > Skype: rocky.smolin > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Arthur Cell: 647.710.1314 Prediction is difficult, especially of the future. -- Niels Bohr -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ----- No virus found in this message. 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