[AccessD] I just gotta vent

John Colby jwcolby at gmail.com
Fri Dec 13 09:16:50 CST 2013


The value property isn't updated until you LEAVE the control.

I am trying to :
1) accept user input key by key.  ONLY the text property displays what 
the user is typing in AS THEY TYPE.
2) if the total length is >=3 then start using that in a "like" 
statement to pull records and display in the form
3) if the length ever is less than three blank the form (if it has 
anything displayed)
4) This is kinda sorta the same functionality of a combo box except I 
want to pull a recordset into the form

The users want to be able to get sets of records "starting with".

This isn't rocket science, in fact it is trivial IF there is at least 
one record in the form, because then the whole thing just works.  As 
soon as the form goes blank this "the control does not have the focus" 
bug bites.  Of course the control has the focus, I AM TYPING IN IT.

So my "search form" is just a control on the edit form.

On 12/13/2013 10:06 AM, Dan Waters wrote:
> Hi John,
>
>  From my distant memory, in Access the .text property has a purpose but is
> very temporary - I've never used it.  Try using the .Value property instead
> - which you don't really need to use because it's the default property
> anyway.  Don't use the .Text property in Access - perhaps you're thinking of
> programming in .Net which uses .Text to get the value of many controls on
> forms?
>
> With your editing form, what I would do is use the information in your
> search form to modify a query and then set the form's recordset to that
> query.  What is the mechanism you've set up for getting filtered records
> into your form?
>
> Dan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
> Sent: Friday, December 13, 2013 8:28 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] I just gotta vent
>
>   >Not sure I follow that. As Shamil said, what are you using to determine
> the focus? Screen.ActiveControl?
>
> The control HAS the focus.  I am TYPING IN IT.  In the ONCHANGE event I ask
> for ThixCtl.text and am told "the text property is only available if the
> control has the focus"
>
> EXCUSE ME?
>
> How can the OnChange be firing if the control does not have the focus.
>
> "By design" means that we have pretty toolbars to design and haven't got
> time to fix bugs that have been around for TEN YEARS.
>
>   > Don't get that. I use unbound controls all the time for searches.
>
> I don't doubt that.  What you DON'T do is use the .text property to do it
> because "the control doesn't have the focus".  Even though I am TYPING IN
> IT.
>
> BUG folks.
>
> Understand that this works just fine IF the (bound) form had a recordset
> displaying something.  But think about it.  This is an EDIT form.  There
> should not be a new record, this is for editing existing records.  The user
> is not allowed to enter new records. There should not be "some fake record
> just to allow this to work". The form should be blank and I should be able
> to do exactly what I am doing in order to select some value to go get
> existing records.
>
> jwc
>
> On 12/13/2013 8:38 AM, Jim Dettman wrote:
>> <<1)  The text box CAN ACCEPT the focus but Access refuses to believe
>> that it has the focus IF there is no data in the form.>>
>>
>> Not sure I follow that.  As Shamil said, what are you using to
>> determine the focus?  Screen.ActiveControl?
>>
>> <<2) TxtBox.Text is not available unless the control has the focus.>>
>>
>>    That would be correct.   .Oldvalue is the record prior to editing,
> .Value
>> is the current value or the control, and .text is the keystroke buffer
>> before it has been committed to the control.
>>
>> <<3) ONLY txtbox.Text has the actual value in the control for each
>> character typed in.  TxtBox.Value is only updated when the control
>> loses the focus.>>
>>
>>    Correct.
>>
>> <<4) So at least one record has to be displayed in the form BEFORE the
>> search can be used.>>
>>
>>    Don't get that.  I use unbound controls all the time for searches.
>>
>> Jim.
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
>> Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2013 02:44 PM
>> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>> Subject: [AccessD] I just gotta vent
>>
>> Trying to do some search kind of stuff using a text box to allow a
>> user <<snip>>
>>
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