Jim Lawrence
accessd at shaw.ca
Wed Feb 20 15:30:45 CST 2013
Hi Hans: Well, you are at the cross-roads of the DBA-Access list. Things do not change on their own. With every new person on the list it changes and those are changes that should be encouraged. There is an incredible depth of experience on this list but not necessarily web or server knowledge but that will change with every new list member. In other words, it is the members that change the list and not the list changes the members. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian Andersen Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 1:00 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tony's comments - Part 2 >True but there are not many R on R, Python, PHP, ASP.Net, JavaScript and HTML developers on this list, in fact darn few web designer here of any level Then perhaps maybe this is just the wrong mailing list for me? I guess the problem might be that we don't have too many new people joining with a fresh perspective on newer technologies. - Hans * Hans-Christian Andersen **Web Application Developer, Vancouver, Canada* E: hans at phulse.com T: +44 (0)20 7193 7841 L: http://uk.linkedin.com/in/andersenhc http://www.nokenode.com/ *Unique Gifts, Collectables, Artwork* *Come one, come all to.... *www.corinnajasmine.com * * On 20 February 2013 12:28, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote: > Hi all: > > True but there are not many R on R, Python, PHP, ASP.Net, JavaScript and > HTML developers on this list, in fact darn few web designer here of any > level. There are also very few people who have any knowledge of servers, > other than for limited network use. If the word Linux is not in your > development vocabulary it is time to start learning. Another word like HTML > should just look like a challenge and not something to be avoided. I have > not heard of anyone talking about the great app they just wrote for some > Tablet or Smartphone?...yet. > > Any developer with an eye to the future had better be looking at the > browser > instead of the desktop. If not, the best development work you can hope for > in the future, is maintaining other programmer's (and I use that title > liberally) crap until the client moves to the web. > > Because most of the desktop apps are history, there will never be another > replacement for MS Access...they are just are not needed. > > If any of you have been frequenting the DBA-Tech list you will know > discussion has been argued at some length but also would have seen many > links to great new technologies and not just items with a MS seal of > approval. (or Smartphone/iPhone, tablet, Linux or Apple for that matter.) > > As I am "sort" of retired, I can help anyone willing to take the plunge but > I will not build your next website, product app, setup your server, install > your Linux distro or web-database for you. ;-) > > So get with the program, get to work you old farts and quit whining!!! ;-) > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian > Andersen > Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 8:33 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tony's comments - Part 2 > > My issue with this list is that is focused on Microsoft tech and so I don't > have a lot to say. When I do have something to say, I feel it is often met > with silence, unless it is something that is a hot button issue (ie. Apple, > Windows 8, state of the job market, etc). Maybe it's because most of you > know each other well and I'm just an outsider. > > Maybe we should add a few new mailing lists. For instance one for Linux, > since Jim, Arthur and I all have an interest in this. > > Best regards, > Hans-Christian Andersen > > > On 20 Feb 2013, at 07:58, "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at verizon.net> wrote: > > > The other thing is that AccessD has not changed in many, many, years and > > the list format is limiting. John just made the comment "We were going > to > > have a discussion about other forms that the list could you use instead > of > > just a list. That hasn't happened but it may yet." > > > > May happen? Like when? Wasn't it months ago it was talked about? or > > changes to the web site? Don't take me wrong, I'm not trying to be > overly > > critical (for example, where is *my* contribution). My point is that > > Access D has remained virtually unchanged since it's beginning. Is it > any > > wonder there are not new members? There's nothing here to attract them. > > Blogging, Articles, uploads, etc should have been done years ago (and > just > > as an FYI, we had the same discussions on EE about 7-8 years ago). I > belong > > to a local board for dirt bike riders and it's got way more features then > > Access D has (it's a simple machines board and cost approx $60/yr). The > > times have changed and Access D has not. > > > > And while I applaud the article from Arthur and John; guys the horse > left > > the barn years ago. These would have been killer articles ten years > back, > > but now? No one is building anything sophisticated in VBA anymore. Look > to > > the 3rd party world; do you see any of the old standby's updated for 64 > bit? > > No. Stephan has retired from all things Access, FMS is really not > cranking > > out any new stuff, MZ Tools has been on version 3 for years now, and > Smart > > Indenter hasn't been updated beyond A2003. > > > > Arthur did make one point that I disagree with "There is also the > > possibility that our discussions have acquired such a narrow focus as to > be > > intelligible only to the Accesserati." > > > > If anything, the opposite is true and is something I complained about a > > couple of years back; to a certain extent, we seem to talk about just > about > > anything and everything here now. It's not just Access anymore and I > > believe I share some of Tony's feelings on this as well. I got tired of > the > > list several years back after seeing nothing new from anyone, seeing the > > same stuff over and over (how many PK debates have we had), and reading > > post after post from John about his latest SQL Server/Windows Server > > adventures, networking in his house, etc., which had nothing to do with > > Access. > > > > But everyone basically said "times have changed and we all do a lot more > > then just Access now", which is totally correct. A list re-organization > was > > suggested back then. But once again, nothing ever happened and here we > are > > a couple of years latter with nothing changed, having the same > conversation > > all over again. > > > > Jim > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com