[AccessD] Tony's comments

Hi Guys:

I think that the programmers and developers in Microsoft love all this stuff
and would have tricked any package out as far as they could. Unfortunately,
MS also has management (accountants) and sale staff and they are under some
delusion that there are more consumers than developers. ;-)

Unfortunately, Microsoft failed to understand that their developers were the
best sales force they ever had and their new sales figures reflect this.

Yeah, you are going to say they threw us a Visual Studio bone but again they
never listened to any of their developers... In the meantime, the desktop
shriveled while the web flowered and their new sales figures reflect this.

But someone at Microsoft understood all this and they moved their core
package, Microsoft Office off to the web...and this is just the start.
 
Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W Colby
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 7:36 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tony's comments

Yea, yea, yea.  I understand the point but in fact they want it both ways.
They add all this stuff 
that only developers have a clue about (references are a good example) and
yet beat around the bush 
about it being for the developers.

John W. Colby

Reality is what refuses to go away
when you do not believe in it

On 2/21/2013 10:31 AM, Jim Dettman wrote:
>   Some, but the majority do not.
>
>   But it doesn't change the fact that Access has always been part of
Office
> and never marketed as a developer tool by Microsoft.
>
>   It's never been listed by them as being part of any development
technology
> and it's never been referred to as a developer tool.
>
>   Their focus has always been taking a complex task and making it easier
for
> the end user.  MVF's, attachment data type, PDF snap-in, etc are examples
of
> those.  For the most part, they've never really focused on what developers
> needed.  If they had, we would not still be living with reference issues,
> would have more 3rd party controls available to us, more control of the
> screen and application object, a better installer, improvements in the JET
> engine, etc.
>
>   Microsoft has continually taken what developers stretched Access to do,
> looked at that, and then simplified those tasks for the end user.  And now
> more then ever, anything that can't be simplified is being stripped out
> (Replication, ADP's, and Workgroup Security).
>
>   Since A2007, it has been more about the end user then ever before
because
> now, things like VS, SQL Server, and Light Switch can occupy a space that
> Access once had a lock on.
>
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W Colby
> Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 08:51 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tony's comments
>
> LOL, and yet... what power user understands normalization?  VBA?  Object
> models?  ADO vs DAO? etc ad
> nasium.
>
> John W. Colby?
>
> Reality is what refuses to go away
> when you do not believe in it
>
> On 2/21/2013 7:42 AM, Jim Dettman wrote:
>>     You need to be fair here; Microsoft has never said Access is a
> developers
>> tool nor marketed it as such.
>>
>> Jim.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 06:26 PM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tony's comments
>>
>> But Access was too good of a tool. MS has been wanting to kill it for
> years.
> <<snip>>
>

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