[AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase

Hans-Christian Andersen hans.andersen at phulse.com
Wed Feb 26 23:04:26 CST 2014


Hey Arthur,

I never did promote which OS I prefer!

- Hans


On Feb 26, 2014, at 2:50 PM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com> wrote:

> Consider me out of this argument. I don't give a fork which OS you choose
> as your BFF and have no interest in persuading you that mine is a better
> one. I don't give a fork. What works for you is my paramount interest.
> 
> All my thoughts are currently focused upon the chicken-chili stew that is
> brewing on my slow-cooker at the moment. And compared to that immediate
> focus, thoughts of which is better this or that, pale in comparison.
> 
> A.
> 
> 
> On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 5:33 PM, Hans-Christian Andersen <
> hans.andersen at phulse.com> wrote:
> 
>> 
>>> The brilliant thing is, that the Metro/Modern interface potentially can
>> scale from a wristwatch or a lightswitch to a laserbeam operated
>> cinemascreen.
>> 
>> You mean, something like the Truman Show poster?
>> http://www.impawards.com/1998/truman_show_ver1_xlg.html
>> 
>> Mother of god. An icon... within a box. And repeated in a tiled fashion.
>> That's brilliant. Why hasn't anyone else done this??? :)
>> 
>> To be honest, I never had a problem with Metro's tiled interface in
>> theory. The implementation of how apps behave when you click on them and
>> the whole magic corners really breaks the whole thing for me. Also, having
>> many of your tiles constantly change information makes for a very obnoxious
>> interface for anything other than a news ticker display.
>> 
>> Microsoft could totally fix Metro and make it something people actually
>> are interested in, but, as it currently stands, an excess of minimalism and
>> rejection of decades of user interface design + the awesome magic corners
>> makes it very difficult to love.
>> 
>> - Hans
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Feb 26, 2014, at 1:40 PM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Hans
>>> 
>>> Thanks. You really make me feel ahead of the crowd. Perhaps I just am
>> better than most to find and appreciate the new opportunities rather than
>> sticking to the past. It is claimed that positive people will live longer
>> than those spending a lot of energy being negative. Fingers crossed.
>>> 
>>> As of today, no one has argued that the old desktop is preferable for a
>> touch screen. It was a dead end. Something had to be done. The brilliant
>> thing is, that the Metro/Modern interface potentially can scale from a
>> wristwatch or a lightswitch to a laserbeam operated cinemascreen.
>>> 
>>> /gustav
>>> 
>>> ________________________________________
>>> Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com <
>> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> på vegne af Hans-Christian Andersen
>> <hans.andersen at phulse.com>
>>> Sendt: 26. februar 2014 21:42
>>> Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>> Emne: Re: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase
>>> 
>>> Gustav.
>>> 
>>> I think Microsoft designed Windows 8 just for you. :)
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> It's an outdated left-over from Windows 95 (seems like everyone have
>> forgotten how MS was ridiculed when it introduced).
>>> 
>>> What? When? I don't ever recall the Start Menu being ridiculed when it
>> was introduced. And, personally, I was happy it came along, because I was
>> using something similar in function as the start menu in Windows 3.11, only
>> that you could access it via a right click of the desktop. It made Win3.11
>> so much more usable.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> As I have mentioned before, the Metro/Modern UI is a masterpiece in
>> design, and if you can't "see" this, it is because of exactly this, that
>> excellent design doesn't stand forward, it only supports the function
>>> 
>>> So your logic is: Metro/Modern UI is a masterpiece in design. It is not
>> possible to disagree. If you try to disagree, it is only evidence that it
>> is a masterpiece in design.
>>> 
>>> http://i.imgur.com/2St5C4B.jpg
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> and if you don't realize this, just borrow a Mac for a moment and study
>> what old-fashioned is about, indeed the ugly animation that sucks windows
>> when they are minimized and the sloshing icons at the bottom. I guess you
>> get used to it, but it makes me feel sick.
>>> 
>>> I find it amusing that before Windows 8, people would criticize OS X for
>> being flashy and all about aesthetics. Form over function etc. Windows is
>> for the power user, who values performance and a consistent UI that
>> improves incrementally.
>>> 
>>> Now OS X is apparently old fashioned and has ugly animations, while
>> Windows 8 is a masterpiece in modern UX/UI design.
>>> 
>>> It's an upside down world, I tell's ya. Although, to be honest, I'm not
>> sure most people agree with you, Gustav.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> - Hans
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Feb 26, 2014, at 12:55 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi Arthur
>>>> 
>>>> You nailed it as usual. I was playing with words like stubborn old
>> farts, but pussies is much nicer!
>>>> 
>>>> I've used Windows 8 (now 8.1 of course) on my home workstation since
>> the very first developer edition (with the wonderful fish on the desktop)
>> and with zero add-ons as I've never been a fan of the small and miserable
>> and messy Start menu. It's an outdated left-over from Windows 95 (seems
>> like everyone have forgotten how MS was ridiculed when it introduced).
>>>> We still run Win7 and a little WinXP at the office but we seriously
>> consider moving to Win8 after the next update.
>>>> 
>>>> As I have mentioned before, the Metro/Modern UI is a masterpiece in
>> design, and if you can't "see" this, it is because of exactly this, that
>> excellent design doesn't stand forward, it only supports the function - and
>> if you don't realize this, just borrow a Mac for a moment and study what
>> old-fashioned is about, indeed the ugly animation that sucks windows when
>> they are minimized and the sloshing icons at the bottom. I guess you get
>> used to it, but it makes me feel sick.
>>>> 
>>>> Of course, as a developer I mostly use the desktop of Win8. Also, my
>> 27" monitor has no touch, so the Metro interface is mouse only for me. But
>> the organization of icons in groups on the Start screen is a big progress
>> compared to the multilevel Start menu of Win7-.
>>>> 
>>>> Further, it is like most look at Win8 as Win7 with another interface.
>> That is not so. It is faster, and with an SSD drive you have finally
>> reached what a computer should be: Instantly on and off with sleep mode,
>> and only few seconds to the login screen from a cold boot.
>>>> 
>>>> Finally, as Martin mentions, where Windows 8 really shines is on a
>> tablet. We have a Surface Pro 2, a wonderful machine, and I have used the
>> old desktop on that. It is doable, but don't forget your glasses or the
>> pen-pointer. It is not productive, and if that would have been the only
>> option, people would have bashed MS, much like what happened with the old
>> Windows Mobile. Something had to be done, and the Metro/Modern touch
>> interface is the answer. Apps can be snipped/snapped in and out and you
>> quickly feel at home.
>>>> 
>>>> /gustav
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
>>>> Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
>> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] På vegne af Arthur Fuller
>>>> Sendt: 25. februar 2014 21:05
>>>> Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>>> Emne: Re: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase
>>>> 
>>>> IMHO, you folks are all pussies and refuse to see what's great about
>> Windows 8. With the proviso that you download and install ClassicShell
>> (google it). This free tool goes a long way toward making Windows 8
>> palatable for old-timers. In fact it goes further than that; it's smarter
>> and better than the old classic start menu.
>>>> 
>>>> Even without this wonderful tool, there are a few key things you can do
>> to smarten up your startup tile UI: most notably, you can drag the tiles
>> into an arrangement of your choice, and also create groups of tiles
>> containing associated programs (i.e. a Media group, a SQL group, etc. And
>> most significantly, you can drag your most frequently-visited programs to
>> the top left of the tile groups. In my tile setup, the first tile is
>> Desktop. I have two monitors and the desktop opens on the large monitor. I
>> also make extensive use of the QuickLaunch bar, and the programs soon learn
>> which monitor they should load on.
>>>> 
>>>> That custom setup accomplished, you are now in a position to see some
>> of the startup, performance and memory management advantages of Windows
>> 8.1. I can only say that I'd never consider going back to Windows 7. I
>> still have a copy of it, but it's on a separate box entirely, and I find
>> myself using that box less and less -- just for large downloads and for
>> running Ubuntu Linux.
>>>> 
>>>> I have one more customization of the Win 8.1 laptop planned. I recently
>> read a net piece on how to hook up two external monitors to a laptop.
>>>> That's next. I'll have three monitors, two external and the laptop
>> monitor.
>>>> That will be very cool.
>>>> 
>>>> My $0.02.
>>>> 
>>>> Arthur
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