Hans-Christian Andersen
hans.andersen at phulse.com
Wed Feb 26 23:04:26 CST 2014
Hey Arthur, I never did promote which OS I prefer! - Hans On Feb 26, 2014, at 2:50 PM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com> wrote: > Consider me out of this argument. I don't give a fork which OS you choose > as your BFF and have no interest in persuading you that mine is a better > one. I don't give a fork. What works for you is my paramount interest. > > All my thoughts are currently focused upon the chicken-chili stew that is > brewing on my slow-cooker at the moment. And compared to that immediate > focus, thoughts of which is better this or that, pale in comparison. > > A. > > > On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 5:33 PM, Hans-Christian Andersen < > hans.andersen at phulse.com> wrote: > >> >>> The brilliant thing is, that the Metro/Modern interface potentially can >> scale from a wristwatch or a lightswitch to a laserbeam operated >> cinemascreen. >> >> You mean, something like the Truman Show poster? >> http://www.impawards.com/1998/truman_show_ver1_xlg.html >> >> Mother of god. An icon... within a box. And repeated in a tiled fashion. >> That's brilliant. Why hasn't anyone else done this??? :) >> >> To be honest, I never had a problem with Metro's tiled interface in >> theory. The implementation of how apps behave when you click on them and >> the whole magic corners really breaks the whole thing for me. Also, having >> many of your tiles constantly change information makes for a very obnoxious >> interface for anything other than a news ticker display. >> >> Microsoft could totally fix Metro and make it something people actually >> are interested in, but, as it currently stands, an excess of minimalism and >> rejection of decades of user interface design + the awesome magic corners >> makes it very difficult to love. >> >> - Hans >> >> >> >> On Feb 26, 2014, at 1:40 PM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote: >> >>> Hi Hans >>> >>> Thanks. You really make me feel ahead of the crowd. Perhaps I just am >> better than most to find and appreciate the new opportunities rather than >> sticking to the past. It is claimed that positive people will live longer >> than those spending a lot of energy being negative. Fingers crossed. >>> >>> As of today, no one has argued that the old desktop is preferable for a >> touch screen. It was a dead end. Something had to be done. The brilliant >> thing is, that the Metro/Modern interface potentially can scale from a >> wristwatch or a lightswitch to a laserbeam operated cinemascreen. >>> >>> /gustav >>> >>> ________________________________________ >>> Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com < >> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> på vegne af Hans-Christian Andersen >> <hans.andersen at phulse.com> >>> Sendt: 26. februar 2014 21:42 >>> Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >>> Emne: Re: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase >>> >>> Gustav. >>> >>> I think Microsoft designed Windows 8 just for you. :) >>> >>> >>>> It's an outdated left-over from Windows 95 (seems like everyone have >> forgotten how MS was ridiculed when it introduced). >>> >>> What? When? I don't ever recall the Start Menu being ridiculed when it >> was introduced. And, personally, I was happy it came along, because I was >> using something similar in function as the start menu in Windows 3.11, only >> that you could access it via a right click of the desktop. It made Win3.11 >> so much more usable. >>> >>> >>>> As I have mentioned before, the Metro/Modern UI is a masterpiece in >> design, and if you can't "see" this, it is because of exactly this, that >> excellent design doesn't stand forward, it only supports the function >>> >>> So your logic is: Metro/Modern UI is a masterpiece in design. It is not >> possible to disagree. If you try to disagree, it is only evidence that it >> is a masterpiece in design. >>> >>> http://i.imgur.com/2St5C4B.jpg >>> >>> >>>> and if you don't realize this, just borrow a Mac for a moment and study >> what old-fashioned is about, indeed the ugly animation that sucks windows >> when they are minimized and the sloshing icons at the bottom. I guess you >> get used to it, but it makes me feel sick. >>> >>> I find it amusing that before Windows 8, people would criticize OS X for >> being flashy and all about aesthetics. Form over function etc. Windows is >> for the power user, who values performance and a consistent UI that >> improves incrementally. >>> >>> Now OS X is apparently old fashioned and has ugly animations, while >> Windows 8 is a masterpiece in modern UX/UI design. >>> >>> It's an upside down world, I tell's ya. Although, to be honest, I'm not >> sure most people agree with you, Gustav. >>> >>> >>> - Hans >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Feb 26, 2014, at 12:55 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Arthur >>>> >>>> You nailed it as usual. I was playing with words like stubborn old >> farts, but pussies is much nicer! >>>> >>>> I've used Windows 8 (now 8.1 of course) on my home workstation since >> the very first developer edition (with the wonderful fish on the desktop) >> and with zero add-ons as I've never been a fan of the small and miserable >> and messy Start menu. It's an outdated left-over from Windows 95 (seems >> like everyone have forgotten how MS was ridiculed when it introduced). >>>> We still run Win7 and a little WinXP at the office but we seriously >> consider moving to Win8 after the next update. >>>> >>>> As I have mentioned before, the Metro/Modern UI is a masterpiece in >> design, and if you can't "see" this, it is because of exactly this, that >> excellent design doesn't stand forward, it only supports the function - and >> if you don't realize this, just borrow a Mac for a moment and study what >> old-fashioned is about, indeed the ugly animation that sucks windows when >> they are minimized and the sloshing icons at the bottom. I guess you get >> used to it, but it makes me feel sick. >>>> >>>> Of course, as a developer I mostly use the desktop of Win8. Also, my >> 27" monitor has no touch, so the Metro interface is mouse only for me. But >> the organization of icons in groups on the Start screen is a big progress >> compared to the multilevel Start menu of Win7-. >>>> >>>> Further, it is like most look at Win8 as Win7 with another interface. >> That is not so. It is faster, and with an SSD drive you have finally >> reached what a computer should be: Instantly on and off with sleep mode, >> and only few seconds to the login screen from a cold boot. >>>> >>>> Finally, as Martin mentions, where Windows 8 really shines is on a >> tablet. We have a Surface Pro 2, a wonderful machine, and I have used the >> old desktop on that. It is doable, but don't forget your glasses or the >> pen-pointer. It is not productive, and if that would have been the only >> option, people would have bashed MS, much like what happened with the old >> Windows Mobile. Something had to be done, and the Metro/Modern touch >> interface is the answer. Apps can be snipped/snapped in and out and you >> quickly feel at home. >>>> >>>> /gustav >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- >>>> Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto: >> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] På vegne af Arthur Fuller >>>> Sendt: 25. februar 2014 21:05 >>>> Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >>>> Emne: Re: [AccessD] Ramblings of a nutcase >>>> >>>> IMHO, you folks are all pussies and refuse to see what's great about >> Windows 8. With the proviso that you download and install ClassicShell >> (google it). This free tool goes a long way toward making Windows 8 >> palatable for old-timers. In fact it goes further than that; it's smarter >> and better than the old classic start menu. >>>> >>>> Even without this wonderful tool, there are a few key things you can do >> to smarten up your startup tile UI: most notably, you can drag the tiles >> into an arrangement of your choice, and also create groups of tiles >> containing associated programs (i.e. a Media group, a SQL group, etc. And >> most significantly, you can drag your most frequently-visited programs to >> the top left of the tile groups. In my tile setup, the first tile is >> Desktop. I have two monitors and the desktop opens on the large monitor. I >> also make extensive use of the QuickLaunch bar, and the programs soon learn >> which monitor they should load on. >>>> >>>> That custom setup accomplished, you are now in a position to see some >> of the startup, performance and memory management advantages of Windows >> 8.1. I can only say that I'd never consider going back to Windows 7. I >> still have a copy of it, but it's on a separate box entirely, and I find >> myself using that box less and less -- just for large downloads and for >> running Ubuntu Linux. >>>> >>>> I have one more customization of the Win 8.1 laptop planned. I recently >> read a net piece on how to hook up two external monitors to a laptop. >>>> That's next. I'll have three monitors, two external and the laptop >> monitor. >>>> That will be very cool. >>>> >>>> My $0.02. >>>> >>>> Arthur >>>> >>>> -- >>>> AccessD mailing list >>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >>> -- >>> AccessD mailing list >>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >>> -- >>> AccessD mailing list >>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > > > -- > Arthur > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com