John R Bartow
jbartow at winhaven.net
Fri Feb 6 12:14:51 CST 2015
This brings up a god point. Please check out all of our lists and subscribe to them :-) We have recently added a Microsoft Office discussion list. John B -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John W. Colby Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2015 6:59 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] I couldn't post That would be my fault. Only back a few days and already causing dissension in the ranks.. :( John W. Colby On 2/5/2015 6:49 AM, Jim Dettman wrote: > > Why oh why is all this being posted to the Access D list? > > If were going to have separate lists, post to the separate lists... > If your not because you think it will be of interest to everyone, then > let's get rid of the separate lists. > > Jim. > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim > Lawrence > Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2015 03:25 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] I couldn't post > > Hi John: > > If you really want to dig around in the distros the following list > gives the top 287 contenders...not a completely extensive list but a > good start. I don't think I have played with more than a dozen though: > > http://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=popularity > > I tend to make a list of commands acquired from the installation site > so if the command is ever needed again it easy to get or if it is used > repeatedly I just build a bash script and drop a short-cut on the > desktop. After a while you just memorize them. > > sudo apt-get remove --purge mysql-server mysql-client mysql-common > sudo apt-get autoremove sudo apt-get autoclean > > The above is pretty well standard for any debian distros...Ubuntu and Mint. > Debian is my favourite. There are only about half a dozen main Linux > and BSD distros. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_distributions > > The truth is that Microsoft Windows is probably the only major > non-Unix/Linux OS left and apparently they are flirting with the dark > side as well. ;-) > > Jim > > PS The first OS the Bill Gaits worked on was Xenix...a multi-user, > multi-tasking Unix like OS that could run on computers like 286s...for > some reason he then made a castrated version and called it DOS and > Windows has been trying to catch up ever since. ;-) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at gmail.com> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com> > Sent: Tuesday, February 3, 2015 8:34:46 PM > Subject: Re: [AccessD] I couldn't post > > Jim, > > >unless your willing to go down to the command prompt network issues > can be impossible to fix. > > I get that, and I understand dropping to the command window for that > kind of thing. But that is NOT a simple install or uninstall! That > is once in a blue moon gotta go to the command window. Go out to > watch YouTube videos of ANYTHING linux and observe what percentage of > time the person is clacking away in the command window. It is like I > am back in 1982. > > I'm not giving up! > > I expect that if you are just doing office stuff then yea, install it > and go. The mint installation itself went flawlessly. Actually USING > a browser or the office apps works just as you would expect (and as in > Windows) in the Gui. And at lleast in Mint, anything already in the > distro can just be installed through the gui. But holy crap, come > time to actually install anything else... > > Take MariaDB for example. I want to use that specifically, rather > than get started with MySQL and switch later. Unfortunately (for me) > it seems that MySQL is native to Ubuntu and Mint is a fork of Ubuntu. > So I immediately have to uninstall MySQL. Well... there is no (gui) > uninstaller. And the uninstall itself (the actual text that you type > in) is specific to the linux distro. And... of course... it is typing > in the command console. So it is off to Google to try to discover how > to uninstall something. Then... it is the same to install MariaDB. > "What version of linux are you using?" If this version then you have > to do this, but if that version you have to do that... and of course... > typing into the command console. > > Likewise with getting a VM running. Likewise with getting Wine. If > you happen to be lucky and it is already in the distro then it gets > easier (to install). Maybe / mostly. > > Get this, I was in a chat room asking questions about how to do this > stuff. The guy actually recommended that I get rid of mint and go > to... Now what kind of stupid response is that. Trash my perfectly > running install of a version of linux to move to some other (equally > frustrating) version of linux in the vain hope that one specific > application will be easier to install? > > And we all know why it is like this. Because Linux is so fragmented > that even though it is supposed to "all be the same", it isn't. > Nothing is the same, everything is slightly (or not so slightly) > different. I was watching a YouTube video the other day where the > speaker was showing a graph of the number of users of various > versions. There were perhaps > 15 or 20 different lines in this graph. And those are just the MAJOR > distros. It's a cluster...friggen mess. To be honest it reminds me > of school children trading baseball cards. "Ooooh have you seen..."? > "No but I'm gonna run right home and grab my usb stick and get that up > and play with it..." > > So I can see how you could get an entire office up in Linux, I got my > machine up in Mint in just an hour or so. And spent many MANY > subsequent hours trying (unsuccessfully so far) getting MariaDB and VM > hosting up and working. Once they are up and working, I fully expect > to have a gui that allows me to do my work in those programs. > > Furthermore I AM going to work in ucontrollers and they are all Linux > so I just have no choice but to move through this cluster...friggen > mess and learn enough to get a dev environment and cross compiler up. > You better believe however that there is a very narrow objective, > which is to get specific applications up in SOME (don't give a damn > which) version of Linux so I can actually get some work done. > > If anyone wants to join me in the nightmare, (misery LOVES company) I > joined the tech group and am trying to get some response over there > for playing with Raspberry Pi or BeagleBone Black. Go get one if you > haven't already and let's play. The BeagleBone Black in particular is > a way cool widget for automation stuff. I did Atmel controllers a few > years ago (no linux fortunately) and it was a ton-o-fun. > > By the way, I designed and built a debit card vending machine in 96 > when I lived in Mexico. It used a Z-80 single board computer and ran > a custom real time system with a C compiler to program it. It used a > bill acceptor (like in a coke machine) interfaced over RS-488 serial > to the controller and we then built a vend widget with a motor, a > metal ram, and a bunch of LED / detectors to allow me to control the vend cycle. > It kept all of the data in RAM on the SBC and talked (via RS232) to a > hand held computer that the operator would hook up to the machine to > read out the data about the bills in the machine, how many cards were > left etc. I did all of the electronics (really quite simple) as well > as wrote the vending machine software. > > That was the most fun I have ever been paid to have! > > :) > > John W. Colby > > On 2/3/2015 10:31 PM, Jim Lawrence wrote: >> You are obviously having the worse experiences with it. >> >> I tend to be lazy and use the terminal only when all else fails and >> mostly > for speed. I tend to find Windows too dumbed down and unless your > willing to go down to the command prompt network issues can be impossible to fix. >> I must relate a story of a client that I helped a couple (three) of >> years > ago. They had all Windows XP boxes but decided to experiment by > setting a dozen by upgrading to Linux (in this case Ubuntu), to save > money. It took only four hours, on a Saturday afternoon, to install a > dozen new system, connect to all the printer, the network, the > internet and install all the office software. A young lady there > (24-25), who knew basically nothing about computers, helped me with the install. >> I thought that I might be supporting them for years, one way of >> another, > but it was not so. She just picked the ball up and ran with it. I > understand the whole office (50 desktops) and all the servers are now > running Linux and everything runs flawlessly. So with no computer > system training or experience (thank God for Google), this young > person did all this without any help from me and she just loves it. > The truth is that she was young and didn't have to unlearn any bad habits. >> I have had no problem with Linux but back in the day, I was a >> certified > SCO Unix installer, so it was just like being back home again. This > does not mean that I do not like Windows; it is just that the moment > we step away from the desktop and move into the world of the internet, > its a Linux universe out there. >> Don't give up on Linux...it is hardly smarter than you are and I have > found it to be great fun as it has all the latest and greatest > technologies, first. As Satya Nadella, CEO of Microsoft say, "We love Linux." >> Jim >> -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com