Gustav Brock
gustav at cactus.dk
Sun Jan 11 05:54:55 CST 2015
Hi Jim Personally, I have the same experience as Arthur. I try to force Win8.1 on everything I can get access to because it is so much better. Alone the reduced boot time makes people feel they've got a new machine, not to mention the wake-up time which is a couple of seconds only even on machines hooked up to Active Drectory. Windows Update is another wast improvement. In earlier versions it bothers you regurlarly and bugs the machine if it hasn't been in use for a while; in Windows 8 it runs nearly silent, updates much faster, and steps back when you work. What you describe is comparable to FUD. People are told from so many sources, that Windows 8 is scary, so they of course refrain and install an OS from 2009. Recently, I had an interesting experience. A friend running Windows 8 at home was given the choice between Win7 and Win8 for his new office machine. He chose Win7 because it was "probably the safest" - who looks for trouble at work? Now he regrets. Among other things, he misses the large start screen where he nicely has organized his tiles/shortcuts. The reasons why large corporations are behind is traditional. It just takes time to get everything tested and approved. That's why you have extended support for Windows 7 after the 15th of this month. I recall when Windows XP was out and we started offering it to clients, Novo Nordic - a Microsoft reference customer who lacked neither knowledge, resources, nor money - was just about to roll out Windows 2000. /gustav ________________________________________ Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com <accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> på vegne af Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net> Sendt: 11. januar 2015 10:33 Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Emne: Re: [AccessD] Access 2007 Applications Running Under Access 2013Runtime Arthur, With business, it's time and money vs. reward. Windows 7 runs remarkably well and if you strip away the tile UI in Windows 8, you basically are left with Windows 7. There's nothing particularly compelling in Win 8 to make you want to switch. Windows 7 is another Windows XP; your going to find folks running it well past extended support unless Windows 10 is a killer. But back to 8; you forget that 8.1 came out well after the release of 8.0 and until then, you had to deal with the tile UI. You were given no choice and with everything you did, you were constantly getting tossed back to it. As a result, you were forced to work with two very different UI's. One was very familiar, the other required learning a whole new set of gestures, movements, ways of working etc. The tile UI did work way better with touch, but Microsoft was naïve in thinking everyone was going to go out and buy a new monitor and spend more on top of what they normally would to make it touch just so they could use windows 8. On a phone or tablet Win 8 made perfect sense, but not for a desktop, which is the way most of the business world works. There was also the problem with the tile UI itself, the complaint most often being that it was "too busy". As part of its interface guidelines, Microsoft stated that no tile should update itself no more than once every thirty minutes. Well guess what? They themselves turned around and immediately released a number of apps that updated every four minutes, and along with everyone else that did the same in order to say "hey look at me, use me", it quickly got to the point where it was overwhelming to use. Everything was begging for your attention. It was like being in a crowed room with everyone yelling for attention all at once. So no one really liked it. You yourself said it; as soon as you could dump the tile UI you did. Microsoft might have had a shot with Win 8 had they released 8.1 sooner, but by the time they did it was way too late. Everyone had already decided to wait for the next best thing and put their budget dollars else where. The other thing that worked against them is that because of the success of XP, it was only slightly prior to the release of 8 that business had mostly gotten off XP onto 7. Even if 8 had been a "must have" OS, businesses were not yet ready for another upgrade cycle. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2015 06:42 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2007 Applications Running Under Access 2013Runtime Jim, I frankly confess that I do not understand the vehement objections to Windows 8+. As soon as I figured out how to sidestep the tile-UI, everything provided has proved way better than Win7 (although I still run Win7 on my tower). I've configured both laptop and desk-tower to recognize the shared drives on both boxes, and on the Win 8.1 laptop I never see the tiles UI, so I really don't see the problem. It's drop-dead simple to bypass the tiles-UI and after that, the W8.1 is way better than any previous Winstallation. I just don't get all the whining and bitching about Win8+. As far as I'm concerned, it's way better than previous editions. Mind you, I have set it up to mostly ignore the tiles UI, and that is drop-dead simple to implement, but once having got there, the 8.1 implementation far outclasses all previous implementations, IMO.