[AccessD] Windows 10 Updates - Fun and Games

[James Button]

Only if you do not power the system off, and then only delays those few that
"Need a Restart"

Other approaches:
'Tell' (and convince?) the update facility you are on a very limited speed link
with a small usage allowance.
Firewall block  the Microsoft site so your PC cannot get the updates
- a pain if you want to use Onedrive, or a MS  logon such as would allow you
access to mail

JimB


-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan,
Lambert
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 9:47 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 10 Updates - Fun and Games

:-((( Well that's a PITA.

So, as far us updated go, the only difference between Pro and Home seems to be
that you can delay the agony for a week. 


-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of James
Button
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 4:27 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 10 Updates - Fun and Games

Not so -

Pro version only includes a facility to delay a 'restart' for up-to a week.
Fixes are still downloaded and applied as per Microsoft's whim, - well, and your
web connection The only control you have is to delay the full
installation/active use of the changes that require a 'Restart' to finish
installing.
( as in those that Windows Update on 7 would cause the update facility to advise
that a restart was required to complete the install)

Remember that the Windows instance on a PC is usually set to do a
fast-closedown&Fast -Startup as in Hibernate I have experienced at least 1
instance of where I believe a 'Fix' has reset the Delayed
Full-closedown&Full-Restart I specified to a Full one on the next shutdown.

I have also noticed that the 'Power' option changes from shut-down to (it's
current setting) of  "Update and Shutdown"  or  "Update and Restart" 
or the not appropriate "Sleep" - - considering that this system does not have a
battery to supply power when the power is (as per fire insurance) turned off at
the wall-switch.

Yes - with this 64 bit Windows-10 (N) Pro system, I have NO option keep the
system running, or - to comply with fire insurance requirements and turn off
electrical equipment, So I'm stuck with "Cumulative Update for Windows 10
Version 1511 for x64-based Systems (KB3140768)" being Installed - (and
apparently . Definition Update for Microsoft Office 2010 (KB3114887) is also
"Available") "Available" meaning I'm gonna get it regardless of my wishes, and
if the system does restart I can then try to get rid of it)

and any backup I take
will - on restart repeat whatever problems I would in Windows-7 previously have
taken a backup before the update was allowed to 'install'

All I can do is ensure that 'my data' - as in emails and wot-I-typed-in is
backed-up before I closedown 

 JimB



-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan,
Lambert
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 8:57 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 10 Updates - Fun and Games

I heartily agree that they need to suffer in compensation for the pain they
cause us.  But right now my system is working, so nothing to call them about.
:-(

Seems like the only way to have some measure of control over your system is to
fork out the extra cash to buy the Pro version of Windows, which allows you to
choose when and if updates are installed - so I understand.

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of James
Button
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 3:34 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 10 Updates - Fun and Games

You're welcome -

Partly my proposal that their chat-line staff be asked to fix problems  is that
I don't know of a better way to have Microsoft take notice  that there are
problems with Windows 10 than to cost them money.
 
And their attitude to the maintenance process that seems to be operated  as if
the instance of Windows-10 on users PC's not only belongs to Microsoft,  but can
also be altered as Microsoft's whim is, in my view NOT ACCEPTABLE.


If anyone has a better idea, please advise me of that better approach

JimB 

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan,
Lambert
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 8:21 PM
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Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 10 Updates - Fun and Games

Thanks for the tip regarding the keywords. I believe that things have now
settled down now that I've got the most recent cumulative update, but I'll bear
this in mind if there is a next time.

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of James
Button
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 3:07 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Windows 10 Updates - Fun and Games

Can't help with your enjoyment of your "enhanced user experience".

However I would use the Microsoft Chat Line facility - take a few hours of a
Microsoft technician's time to make the point that your 'Windows 10' system is
experiencing problems with the Microsoft  'Update facility' 

Both keyword sets qualify for 'no-charge support' 
Expect to have a good experienced technician take a couple of hours to
investigate and fix the problem using remote access, and one of the less good
ones to faf around for most of their working day.
Make sure that you have their ref number, and the web link to get back to that
tech after they restart your system.


JimB

-----Original Message-----
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Lambert
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 7:39 PM
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Subject: [AccessD] Windows 10 Updates - Fun and Games

Here's another fine example of the trials and tribulations of Windows Update.

On the evening of March 5th, having left my Windows 10 box running unattended
for a couple of hours, I came back to it to find a blue screen telling me that
"Automatic Repair couldn't repair your PC", and I had the option to Shut Down or
go to Advanced Options.


Naturally I chose Advanced Options and was presented with another screen with a
variety of choices, including:

* Restart the PC
	- tried that, with no luck. Back to the same screen.
* Retry Automatic Repair
	 - tried that and it failed after a few minutes
* Reset the PC 
	- did not like the looks of that
* Restore from a Restore Point 
	- That looked good as I did have some restore points. When I tried it, I
was shown a list of available restore points, but when I chose any of them and
hit the button to move on all I got was an error about some instruction
referencing memory is some whacky location. In short Resorting was not going to
happen.

I went around the options a couple of times, but after an hour had made no
progress so I gave up and powered off, thinking  "looks like I need to dig out
that Windows install DVD". Just for kicks and giggles I powered it up again
straight away, and to my surprise and delight the thing booted up into the
normal login screen. So  logged in and immediately created a new restore point.

At that point I powered down and went to bed.

Then on March 8th, having left the machine running and idle for a longish time
the same thing happened.  Got the "Automatic Repair couldn't repair your PC"
screen. This time however I was up and running in a few minutes as the restore
point I created on the 5th was functional.

It seemed evident to me that I was falling foul of an automatic update that was
happening during idle time. Having only Windows 10 Home I have essentially no
control over the update process.  So I took a look at my update history and sure
enough, on the 5th and 8th there were entries showing one of those cumulative
updates having failed to install (forget the KB number, but I can post it later
if anyone wants to know). 

Then last night, while looking into the situation again, I opened the windows
update screen and saw that there was a new cumulative update dated March 9th
awaiting download and installation.  So I thought, perhaps if I let that one get
installed, being later than and so superseding the update that had failed twice,
perhaps this new update will have had the bugs swept out of it. Sure enough, it
did in fact successfully install without any problems. 

Pity the poor average Joe presented with this situation. I see lots of money
being handed over to Geek Squad to sort this out for non-computer savvy users.
And I wonder when something bad like this will crop up again.

Lambert