[AccessD] Clean Shut Down of Access When Left Open in RDP

[Mark Simms]

Guys - 
thanks for the excellent feedback on this topic.
If the RDP session duration is set to infinity (no time-out), will this alleviate the problem ?





Mark Simms
marksimms at verizon.net




-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net>
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thu, Aug 2, 2018 7:18 am
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Clean Shut Down of Access When Left Open in RDP


 It will try to close, but just like Excel and Word, if anything stops that
(like being in the middle of an edit), then the app will be forced to close
and not shutdown gracefully.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
David Emerson
Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2018 9:52 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Clean Shut Down of Access When Left Open in RDP

My IT guy has asked this question:

The Log off policy doesn't just pull the rug out from under the
application..  it issues a 'Log off' or 'shutdown' call tot he environment.
Word, Excel etc 'hear' this and close down in an orderly manner..   I'm
hoping the Access application can be made to do this as well.....

Does anyone have an answer for this?

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
Wellington, New Zealand



-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Dettman
Sent: Thursday, 2 August 2018 9:32 a.m.
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Clean Shut Down of Access When Left Open in RDP

<< Why doesn't MS implement a fix to a problem that has existed for 10 plus
years despite many requests for a fix?>>

 It's just not easy to do.

 They did add  a passive shutdown feature, but there is no simply way to
actively kick someone off that is in the middle of something when there are
multiple instances of the database engine touching the database file.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Bill Benson
Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2018 2:35 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Clean Shut Down of Access When Left Open in RDP

Why do we always have to "switch" from Access to another platform just to
get *reasonable* robustness?

This problem is well documented and there no known solution except less
than perfect mechanisms like Chris Symonds or Alvin Meyer KickThemOff
solutions, which still are not fool proof, from my viewpoint.

Why doesn't MS implement a fix to a problem that has existed for 10 plus
years despite many requests for a fix?

Fortunately in my corporate environment, the backend is always SQL Server
or Sharepoint. A purely Access backend on a multi user platform is just
asking for trouble.

In the interim, I would initiate a timer on the got focus of every control
on every form that closes all forms and exits the database if a certain
period of inactivity is reached. 30 minutes is usually adequate. No message
to the user, but a scrape of data can be sent to the user in an email
telling them which form (s) were open, what field data existed at time of
forced exit, and a request to be more responsibe in future. Don't display a
"Database will close in XX minutes" messagebox, that will hang the system
awaiting their response... but you can pop a dialog form on a timer, with a
label and a cancel button. When the timer on that form reaches its preset
interval, the form closes and commences database exit routines. If their
data isn't saved, too bad.

This has to be one of the most frustrating things in all of Access.

On Wed, Aug 1, 2018, 1:01 AM Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Has anyone looked at SSH or SSL connections as they are built into
> Window10 by default? Extremely robust and resilient.
>
> Maybe it might be better to setup remote users on SQL-Express DB BE as it
> does not require a synchronize connection like a MDB does.
>
> Aside: Ran into a similar problem many years ago and moved the entire
> network's BE to a MSSQL DB and that was an end to corruption issues.
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Emerson" <newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" <
> accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 7:24:11 PM
> Subject: [AccessD] Clean Shut Down of Access When Left Open in RDP
>
> Hi Listers,
>
>
>
> A client has a problem with Access data corruption when a user on RDP
> leaves
> the Access application open and the users are forcibly logged off the RDS
> servers.
>
>
>
> Is there a way for Access to be closed first before the user is logged
off?
>
>
>
> Regards
>
> David Emerson
> Dalyn Software Ltd
> Wellington, New Zealand
>
>
>
>
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