[AccessD] Access and OOP

[Arthur Fuller]

Wow, a discussion has turned into an insult-fest. I'm done, too old and
weak for slinging. I'm too olc, and most mornings cannot make it out of
bed, so Victory to you. I quit and resolve to do the best I can to feed my
cats, and hope that they die before I do. Otherwise the implications are
horrific.

On Wed, Sep 2, 2020 at 1:23 PM John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:

> And yes I fully understand that Access doesn't have inheritance and
> polymorphism.  So what?
>
> "I'm not going to use this saw because the handle is made of wood"?  I only
> use saws with gold plated handles.
>
> LOL.  A tool is what it is.  Access has classes. Access classes fully
> implement the first two properties of OO, abstraction (black box) and
> encapsulation. Again I am amused that you bitch about the class not having
> inheritance, and won't use it and yet merrily use forms (which is an object
> you can't inherit), reports, all the controls, the entire damned DAO
> library, all of which are objects which you cannot inherit.
>
> Get over yourself.
>
> Classes exist, they are extremely useful, and they provide programming
> abilities without which you are literally hamstrung.  YOU are stringing
> your hams my friend.  I merrily use the tool however it allows me to use
> it.  And yes, I call it Object ORIENTED programming.  Classes are objects.
> They model real world things.
>
> I can do things in Access that you cannot even imagine, not because I am
> all that, but because of your lack of imagination.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Object-oriented_programming
>
> On Wed, Sep 2, 2020 at 1:07 PM John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > So learn any modern language.  Python, Java, C++, Ruby.  Come back and
> > tell me OOP is dying.
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 2, 2020 at 1:05 PM John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> The second word in OOP is ORIENTED.
> >>
> >> On Wed, Sep 2, 2020 at 12:53 PM Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> John,
> >>>
> >>> Access is nof OOP. It is close but fails on a few significant aspects.
> I
> >>> cannot create a class and then inherit from it. I cannot do
> polymorphism
> >>> without a bunch of VBA code that points to the pseudo-class I created.
> >>> More to the point, OOP is pretty much a dying creed of code. Originally
> >>> it
> >>> sounded like a great idea, then turned out to be a rhinocus with only
> two
> >>> feet -- in other words, a very awkward beast.
> >>> Initally I was seduced by the claims of Bertrand Meyer et. al., but
> that
> >>> is
> >>> no longer the case. I still think in OOP, but Access is simply not an
> OOP
> >>> language. I would call it Not Oop, but kist an Object-Based Language. I
> >>> suppose this is merely a matter of terminology, but since you know more
> >>> than a little about VC and C++, you surely must understand the
> >>> difference.
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Aug 31, 2020 at 7:53 AM John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> > It is 2020.  OOP has been around for a long time and Access is, top
> to
> >>> > bottom oop.  So...
> >>> >
> >>> > If you were to interview with the mythical organization C2Db for an
> >>> Access
> >>> > position, I would ask you:
> >>> > 1) Do you understand OOP?
> >>> > Yes.  The only acceptable answer in 2020.
> >>> > 2) What is a class? A code construct that allows you to model a real
> >>> world
> >>> > object, storing code and variables (and events) for that object.
> >>> >
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-- 
Arthur