[AccessD] MS 365 Upgrade to Family

Mon Feb 27 21:06:22 CST 2023

Hi,

When I replied to Arthur's statement that he was starting to learn
LibreOffice I only wrote about how I prefer to install LibreOffice.
I should have added that I do not use its programming features and that I
gave up on using OpenOffice base even before I started using LibreOffice.
I failed to see a net benefit to using Base over Access (after my
once youthful optimism waned).
Stuart's advice to program with what your clients use is probably sound
wisdom!

I bought my Access licence at a time when buying it bundled with Microsoft
Office was NOT a requirement.
LibreOffice Writer is fine for writing specifications and exchanging them
with people who use Word.
LibreOffice Calc is fine for spreadsheets I like to write - i.e. lots of
formulae but no macros.  It is also fine for exchanging formatted data with
Excel users even if they contain basic formulae.  I've always assumed that
things like hexadecimal conversion functions were a LibreOffice optional
extension - and I've had no need to share those with anyone.
I have far less use for LibreOffice Impress (which is like PowerPoint) or
LibreOffice Draw, but they are also part of the free suite along with Base.

Paul Wolstenholme

On Tue, 28 Feb 2023 at 15:19, Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
wrote:

> For programming, I use what my clients use - which is MS Office.
>
> I am not aware of any organisation in PNG that uses Libre Office and Base.
>
> On 27 Feb 2023 at 16:13, John Colby wrote:
>
> > I also use LibreOffice.  However it has no vba compatible anything so
> > for programming I use MS Access and VBA.
> >
> > On Sun, Feb 26, 2023 at 4:24PM Paul Wolstenholme <
> > Paul.W at industrialcontrol.co.nz> wrote:
> >
> > > Arthur,
> > >
> > > I recommend installing www.portableapps.com and installing
> > > LibreOffice Portable Still from that.  Updates are automatic (and
> > > bundled with updates to other useful PortableApps stuff). The
> > > LibreOffice Portable Fresh version updates itself more often than I
> > > would like. Installing LibreOffice directly from  LibreOffice never
> > > was good at keeping itself up to date without a manual process to
> > > update each PC that I tired of.  I switched from OpenOffice to
> > > LibreOffice way back at version 4. I did have to tell windows that
> > > various file types should be opened using the LibreOffice .exe
> > > located within the hard drive folder structure I assigned
> > > PortableApps to use.  That is a one time exercise per PC.
> > >
> > > This could save you from getting frustrated in a few years time
> > > after microsoft convince their customers to use even newer features
> > > designed to not work in today's LibreOffice.  Compatibility will be
> > > maintained.
> > >
> > > Paul Wolstenholme
> > >
> > > On Mon, 27 Feb 2023 at 00:50, John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Well hello there.  Long time no see.
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, Feb 26, 2023 at 1:32AM Juergen Welz <jwelz at hotmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I've had some experience with Libre Office and there's some
> > > > > funky stuff but the price is certainly right and its support for
> > > > > most of the MS
> > > > office
> > > > > suite file formats is really brilliant.  But then, I still own
> > > > > Office
> > > > 2003
> > > > > and still write some new Access code on Win 11 PCs with it.  I
> > > > > just did some soccer team management and spectator photo pass
> > > > > retrieval via QR
> > > > code
> > > > > scan input.  Why get a two ton press when all you need is a
> > > > > single
> > > light
> > > > > tap with a hammer.  I gave up on buying updated Microsoft
> > > > > applications
> > > > when
> > > > > they introduced the ribbon.
> > > > >
> > > > > Jurgen Welz
> > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > From: AccessD
> > > > > <accessd-bounces+jwelz=hotmail.com at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > on
> > > > > behalf of Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
> > > > > Sent: Friday, February 24, 2023 7:42:50 PM
> > > > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <
> > > > > accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] MS 365 Upgrade to Family
> > > > >
> > > > > This aggravation proved just too much, I've decided to abandon
> > > > > the MS
> > > > suite
> > > > > and begin learning the LibreOffice stuff, for starters.
> > > > >
> > > > > I will still keep my old 2016 versions, but I think that my
> > > > > experience today sort of broke the bond I thought we had.
> > > > >
> > > > > I think that it's time to explore LibreOffice and PostGrSQL in
> > > > > depth.
> > > > >
> > > > > I realize that I am a krill in their ocean of customers, but
> > > > > given that
> > > > I'm
> > > > > retired, who gives a s**t about what I think? I'm going to
> > > > > embark on an intensive program studying the LibreOffice stuff,
> > > > > concentrating on Base (its DBMS), but  looking to see what I can
> > > > > duplicate in the absence of
> > > > VBA.
> > > > > I know that Base offers an equivalent language, so that's Step
> > > > > One.
> > > Then
> > > > we
> > > > > shall see where it goes from there.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Fri, Feb 24, 2023 at 6:42 PM Kathryn Bassett
> > > > > <kathryn at bassett.net> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > And Family comes with 5 more seats, so I've installed on Dave,
> > > > > > my
> > > > sister,
> > > > > > and 2 of Arlene's computers.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: AccessD <accessd-
> > > > > > > bounces+kathryn=bassett.net at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf
> > > > > > > Of
> > > Susan
> > > > > > > Harkins
> > > > > > > Sent: Friday, February 24, 2023 11:47 AM
> > > > > > > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > > > > > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] MS 365 Upgrade to Family
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I can only speak from my own experience. My 365 license
> > > > > > > comes with
> > > > all
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > Power apps and some of them are powerful apps. With the
> > > > > > > Power apps
> > > > and
> > > > > > > SharePoint (which comes with my 365 license), I have an
> > > > > > > incredible
> > > > > number
> > > > > > > of easy-to-use tools at my disposal. I'd not go back.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Susan H.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What's the advantage then of 385 over say O2021?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >
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