[AccessD] Expert's Exchange; new program

[William Benson]

Oh I am definitely an emptor.

*Regards,*


*Bill Benson*
*VBACreations*

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On Mon, Jun 17, 2024 at 6:52 AM Jim Dettman via AccessD <
accessd at databaseadvisors.com> wrote:

> Bill,
>
>  I'd be careful with that; GIGO.
>
>  ChatGPT can give some nonsense errors in some very subtle ways.  I know a
> number of people that ask it to do coding on a regular basis, and while the
> simple stuff is pretty good, with anything complex, it can easily turn out
> a poor/junk answer.  i.e. it will work, but no one in their right mind
> would code it that way.  There also was a demonstration where complete
> garbage was fed in intentionally to a model, and it of course spit out junk
> as a result.    That's something that people really need to think about.
>  No one can verify all the data being fed into these things, and what gets
> spit out may or may not be grounded in fact.
>
>  ChatGPT also doesn't give you a real-world view in many cases as well.
>  I answered a question on EE about FTP from Access and suggested WinSCP, a
> batch file with the commands, a command file to execute the batch, calling
> the command file with Shell() from VBA, and then parsing the log file for
> success/failure.  Another member responded that it was over engineered, and
> you could do it all with a single command line, which was the Chat GPT
> answer as well.
>
>   Thing is, I've lived with having to maintain and troubleshoot FTP
> connections for a very long time, and the reason I break it down like that
> is:
>
> 1. I can look at the batch, command, and log files after executing (they
> are left behind when a failure occurs).
> 2. I can execute the batch and command files outside of Access.
> 3. I can issue the command line manually to test.
> 4. I can issue the batch file commands one by one in the client manually
> to test.
>
>  With all that, I can troubleshoot an FTP connection within a matter of
> minutes and figure out what the problem is.   Real world experience counts
> for something, which ChatGPT doesn't always capture.
>
>  Buzzword of the day is "AI", and everyone is trying to use it, but I
> think many jump in without fully realizing the limitations.    We're also
> have the problem now of when given an answer, you don't know how you
> arrived at that answer.     It is good, don't get me wrong, but it's good
> only to a point, and it's only as good as the data fed into it.
>
>  I think it will help people in many ways, I just think we are all jumping
> in a little too fast before fully understanding what it can and can't do
> for us.
>
> caveat emptor
>
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessD On Behalf Of Bill Benson
> Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2024 10:55 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <
> accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Cc: Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Expert's Exchange; new program
>
> ChatGPT is my new GoTO
>
> On Fri, Jun 7, 2024 at 2:10 PM Jim Dettman via AccessD <
> accessd at databaseadvisors.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >  EE has a different vibe to it though than other places.   Some like that
> > and others don't.
> >
> >  For a while, they walked away from the community feel they had in the
> > early 2000's, but now they are getting back to that.   It's just a shame
> > they didn't do something like this 90-day trial a lot sooner.
> >
> >  I thought it was worth mentioning though.
> >
> > Jim.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: AccessD On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
> > Sent: Friday, June 7, 2024 1:21 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <
> > accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Expert's Exchange; new program
> >
> > Between AccessD, Stack Exchange and Google search, I never had the need
> for
> > Experts Exchange. Google search is my GoTo. That's where Stack Exchange
> > usually shows up. Although the links from a Google Search to a MS page
> work
> > much of the time.
> >
> > r
> >
> > On Fri, Jun 7, 2024 at 8:25 AM Jim Dettman via AccessD <
> > accessd at databaseadvisors.com> wrote:
> >
> > > All,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >    To anyone that's ever wondered about www.experts-exchange.com
> > > <http://www.experts-exchange.com> , but didn't want to sign-up, they
> are
> > > now
> > > offering a 90-day trail with no CC required.   So if you've been
> curious,
> > > check it out!  https://go.experts-exchange.com/
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Jim.
> > >
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