[AccessD] Microsoft Volume Copy Service

Tue Jun 3 14:33:43 CDT 2025

I’ll keep that in mind. I always work locally and let GD mind its business
in the background.

r
On Mon, Jun 2, 2025 at 2:31 PM Bill Benson <bensonforums at gmail.com> wrote:

> Ne very careful that the copy on Google Drive has fully updated itself for
> what you have worked on in the meantime locally or you will overwrite newer
> information with older as happened to me when I was keeping backups in both
> places. In fact I stopped copying from Google Drive to anywhere for exactly
> that reason. I intend to look into this issue in more depth at some point
> but lately been feeling too stupid to even understand how google folders
> are synced and GhatGPT was spewing out nonsense making sh*t up as it goes
> along, per usual.
>
>
> On Thu, May 29, 2025 at 3:26 PM Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin2 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I found that for my purposes running a google drive that syncs
> > automatically with the designated folders. When I finish working on a
> > database or a document, in addition to GD uploading the updated file for
> > me, I drag and drop it to an EHD.
> >
> > But all that stuff is increasingly in the rear view mirror. 😀
> >
> > r
> >
> > On Thu, May 29, 2025 at 12:03 PM James Button via AccessD <
> > accessd at databaseadvisors.com> wrote:
> >
> > > AFAIK -
> > >
> > > I suspect the shadow copy is the OS having been set to take (internally
> > > set) copies of the files, or parts of the partitions that were in the
> > base
> > > backup set you took, and have since changed ( maybe by different hash
> > > value, or maybe by reference to a list of what was in the full backup (
> > > plus any incremental backup sets you have created since.
> > >
> > > When you next run a full backup  the shadow copy may (should) be
> > > forgotten, wit any space returned to unallocated.
> > > When you run an incremental backup, the incremental set would be of the
> > > previously noted changed files (or blocks).
> > > So there may not be much storage space used for those shadow copy sets
> -
> > > As they would basically be the current contents of the files on, or
> > blocks
> > > of the storage.
> > > And when put onto the incremental set - they are the active saved set,
> > and
> > > no longer need to be isolated as a "Shadow" set.
> > >
> > > However - in some setups the "Shadow set"  could be temporarily
> > maintained
> > > until a file that was being updated is closed, and - if set to be
> > verified
> > > -  either by the App and/or OS setting, or is on a partition set to be
> > > verified.
> > > Note - setting verify means that every write is followed by a read - so
> > > doubling the data transfer to the device - see Seagate drive warrantee
> > > terms on maximum throughput)
> > > And the writing App will have to wait foe every write to be read  - not
> > > just to the drive cache, but actually written to the ( rotating)
> surface,
> > > and then for that bit of the surface to come round to be read -
> > >
> > > As in 7200rpm = 120 rps =  more than 8½ milliseconds wait in every
> write
> > > action
> > >
> > > But - I digress -
> > >  So the Shadow copy - that will no longer need to be identifying the
> > > changed parts of the storage when you perform the incremental backup,
> as
> > > there won't be any, but there will still need to be the index of what
> > needs
> > > to be in the next incremental set - so basically a space-map type setup
> > for
> > > the storage area being backed-up.
> > >  -
> > > And that process probably won't be active if you do not have any backup
> > > "jobs" setup that include incremental sets.
> > >
> > >
> > > Also - for checking and managing storage I use Treesize Free - even
> lets
> > > you see what is actually in the Recycle bin - some of which the OS
> > doesn't
> > > let you see or manage
> > > And Resource monitor
> > > ( an option on the task manager performance tab)
> > > or shortcut to "%windir%\system32\perfmon.exe /res"
> > > to see what parts of the storage are being accessed,
> > > and even for SSD's - hammered to death!
> > >
> > > Also re the high usage -
> > > Consider that windoze regards the updating of the MFT as a do that
> later
> > > task -
> > > Relying on the filesystem action log
> > > So doing a bulk change to the MFT entries
> > > May delay the actual shutdown of the system, including the releasing of
> > > locks or "external" storage devices
> > > Note the still active throb from a 5TB external drive for many minutes
> > > after explorer indicates the move has been done, if you have deleted
> > loads
> > > of files, or "moved" them from 1 folder to another
> > >
> > >
> > > So the "service" may be showing as active when it is actually adjusting
> > > the "changed" items tables to match what the OS is doing to the MFT
> > entries.
> > >
> > > And ... The OneDrive App - when installed on my I7 laptop kept the
> screen
> > > black - as in powered off look for over 30 minutes while it was
> building
> > > the OneDrive folder in my user area -
> > > And then @ over 30% CPU as it "Sync'd" and linked the entries in that
> > > folder to the several TB of data on the OneDrive storage I managed for
> > the
> > > "family".
> > >
> > > Note - when it has finished doing the Linking and Sync- then you can
> > > access the option NOT to setup the links -
> > > Those meaning that deleting the new "/user/name/OneDrive folder
> deletes
> > > all the files from the Onedrive storage, and then Sync's all the PC's
> > set
> > > to Sync to that storage - to match it's empty state !
> > >
> > >
> > > Regards - from another still trying to become a retire not being called
> > by
> > > old - but still hopeful legacy clients.
> > >
> > > Usually asking what the "gggggeee U cocked it up text" message
> > >  means they have done wrong and
> > > please - tell us what's the 10 minute process to get it working again !
> > >
> > > Well - I tend to remember what they did last time to get the particular
> > > error message that they are telling me about.
> > >
> > > As in saved to personal OneDrive - not the designated server folder !
> > >
> > > JimB
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: AccessD <accessd-bounces+jamesbutton=
> > > blueyonder.co.uk at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
> > > Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2025 5:02 PM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <
> > > accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Microsoft Volume Copy Service
> > >
> > > Jamess:
> > >
> > > Thanks for your reply.
> > >
> > > Since I'm retired now (except for the occasional quickie job from a
> > legacy
> > > client), my computing life is very simple. The backup thing I always
> had
> > > covered, being an indie developer, so redundant backup was always my
> > rule.
> > > Even going so far as to store a copy off site (my home). Everything
> > that's
> > > on my Google Drive I also have on an EHD. So I feel pretty secure with
> > > that.
> > >
> > > From what I was able to determine from the web (not much) I don't
> really
> > > need this shadow backup. First of all I can't see how to set the
> > properties
> > > for the target of the backup, define which files or folders or volumes
> > are
> > > to be backed up, or any other property.  And the shadow copy service is
> > > still taking 35% of the CPU this morning. But what it's doing and where
> > it
> > > is doing that is a mystery. And it is (apparently, not sure) making
> > > incremental backups which I 've always been wary of since a
> > > restore requires a lot of backup files.
> > >
> > > If I turn it off I would like to delete all the files it has created,
> but
> > > I'm at a loss to know where they are and what they're named.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, May 29, 2025 at 3:58 AM James Button via AccessD <
> > > accessd at databaseadvisors.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Not used that facility -
> > > > But the earlier "image" facility had the major flaws -
> > > > Starting with the automatic update of the image with modified files
> > > > during your
> > > > working day -
> > > > So any files that had lost needed data, been corrupted, or encrypted
> > > would
> > > > replace the "recovery ones".
> > > > Also the file history facility did not create entries of files with
> > > > fullnames of
> > > > over 230 characters  - or, depending on your login id and the system
> > > name,
> > > > a lot
> > > > less characters.
> > > >
> > > > There is also the 400 character fullname limit within OneDrive, as
> well
> > > as
> > > > the
> > > > "not doing that file" and "not telling you"
> > > > About files with set character strings in the fullname.
> > > >
> > > > What I found was needed was a volume restore facility to create the
> > > needed
> > > > partition sizes on a replacement drive ( storage device) so you could
> > > > recover
> > > > the partition setup in order to recover data  if the partition tables
> > > were
> > > > corrupted, and to restore from a backup created by such as Easeus
> > ToDo  -
> > > > 4gb
> > > > parts maybe encrypted as a set, or using a BitLocker type facility  -
> > and
> > > > upload
> > > > them to cloud as a safe store in case of losing all the IT @ home !
> > > >
> > > > And - re Google Drive - nice facility - but what if the account gets
> > > lost,
> > > > or
> > > > hacked with a new password set, or you lose comms access !
> > > >
> > > > Also - if storing stuff from the phone onto a cloud store,
> > > > Does access to the phone give access to all on the cloud storage -
> > > > e.g. the phone remembers the access to all your cloud storage .
> > > >
> > > > JimB
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: AccessD
> > > > <accessd-bounces+jamesbutton=blueyonder.co.uk at databaseadvisors.com>
> On
> > > > Behalf Of
> > > > Rocky Smolin
> > > > Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2025 1:08 AM
> > > > To: List <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>; Off Topic
> > > > <dba-ot at databaseadvisors.com>; Access Developers discussion and
> > problem
> > > > solving
> > > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > > Subject: [AccessD] Microsoft Volume Copy Service
> > > >
> > > > Dear Lists:
> > > >
> > > > Microsoft Volume Copy Service is running (W11) taking about 35% of
> CPU
> > > > cycles. Do I need this?
> > > >
> > > > My personal data files (Client stuff, photos, docs, etc) are all
> backed
> > > up
> > > > to my Google drive.
> > > >
> > > > MTIA
> > > >
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