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<DIV><SPAN class=730373613-31032003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Jim
are you doing Internet replication then? If so are you using a VPN?
We've encountered some difficulties in running replication over the Net on A97. Which version are you using?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<P><FONT face=Arial size=2>Thanks,</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT face=Arial size=2>Jim DeMarco</FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial
size=2>Director of Product Development</FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial
size=2>HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan</FONT> </P>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Jim Lawrence (AccessD)
[mailto:accessd@shaw.ca]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, March 29, 2003 7:03
AM<BR><B>To:</B> accessd@databaseadvisors.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [AccessD]
Replication - A2K<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=460394011-29032003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Hi
John:</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=460394011-29032003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=460394011-29032003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I
have been running a Access replication application for five years. There are
basically three government offices with about forty total individuals. The
program has both an automatic and manual replication process programmed
in. I have one BE db with one table that is centeral to the
process. This is the file that supplies all the invoice numbers. It is linked
to each site by its URL address. As soon as a ne record is created, the program goes looking for the next number. If the lines are glogged, that can
take about 30 seconds.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=460394011-29032003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=460394011-29032003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I
come in every so often and clean up any duplications because sometimes
the timing is off. The issue only comes up once every couple
months or so. The cost to permentantly resolve the problem, with a nice
SQL BE, is prohibitive so the clients have settled on this type of
solution.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=460394011-29032003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=460394011-29032003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><STRONG>There simply is no other inexpensive solution</STRONG>. The
cost is either on a expensive product or an expensive programming
process.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=460394011-29032003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>HTH</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=460394011-29032003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Jim</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
accessd-bounces@databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces@databaseadvisors.com]<B>On Behalf Of </B>John W.
Colby<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, March 28, 2003 8:29 AM<BR><B>To:</B>
accessd@databaseadvisors.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [AccessD] Replication -
A2K<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=106272016-28032003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>And perhaps the situation is simply different. People don't
call to file claims, they fill out paperwork and submit it. Not that
your situation won't occur, of course it will. I can certainly ask how
often it occurs but having spent 8 months on site I didn't get that it happened "several times a day". People call to "check" on their claim
that is already in the system - having been entered from a claim form.
The folks handling the phones do take info over the phone, but mostly it is
"fill out this form and mail it in", or "get your doctor to fill out this
form and mail it in" or "get your employer to fill out this form and send it
in". No paperwork, no claim! So people "calling back with info"
simply isn't a common occurrence since they don't ask for verbal information
other than current address and the likes.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=106272016-28032003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=106272016-28032003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I
will certainly advise them of the facts behind the synchronization of course. I get the feeling they will live with the occasional "out of
sync" info in order to get a doubling of effective
speed.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<P><FONT size=2>John W. Colby<BR>Colby
Consulting<BR>www.ColbyConsulting.com</FONT> </P>
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size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
accessd-bounces@databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces@databaseadvisors.com]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Wortz,
Charles<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, March 28, 2003 11:10 AM<BR><B>To:</B> accessd@databaseadvisors.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [AccessD] Replication
- A2K<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><!-- Converted from text/rtf format -->
<P><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>John,</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I'm not saying your solution
doesn't work. I pointed out a situation that will arise and that
they need to have some procedure in place to handle it. Whether that
procedure is within your solution or something they will have to handle
manually is for them to decide.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>As to how often such calls occur,
all I can say is when I worked for my Dad in his insurance agency it happened several times a day that somebody would call to file a claim but
didn't have all the information the agent needed so they would have to
call back later with the additional information. I doubt that human
nature has changed much in the intervening years.</FONT></P>
<P><B><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff>Charles Wortz</FONT></B> <BR><FONT
face=Arial color=#0000ff>Software Development Division</FONT> <BR><FONT
face=Arial color=#0000ff>Texas Education Agency</FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff>1701 N. Congress Ave</FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>Austin, TX 78701-1494</FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff>512-463-9493</FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>CWortz@tea.state.tx.us</FONT> </P><BR>
<P><FONT face=Arial></FONT> <FONT face=Tahoma size=1>-----Original
Message-----</FONT> <BR><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=1>From:
</FONT></B> <FONT face=Tahoma
size=1>accessd-bounces@databaseadvisors.com [</FONT><A
href="mailto:accessd-bounces@databaseadvisors.com"><U><FONT face=Tahoma
color=#0000ff
size=1>mailto:accessd-bounces@databaseadvisors.com</FONT></U></A><FONT
face=Tahoma size=1>] </FONT><B> <FONT face=Tahoma size=1>On Behalf
Of</FONT></B> <FONT face=Tahoma size=1>John W. Colby</FONT> <BR><B><FONT
face=Tahoma size=1>Sent: </FONT></B> <FONT face=Tahoma
size=1>Friday 2003 Mar 28 09:21</FONT> <BR><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=1>To: </FONT></B> <FONT face=Tahoma size=1>accessd@databaseadvisors.com</FONT> <BR><B><FONT face=Tahoma
size=1>Subject: </FONT></B> <FONT
face=Tahoma size=1>RE: [AccessD] Replication - A2K</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT face=Arial size=2>They need an answer, and can't afford SQL
Server. This is an answer. To not look at the realistic options because of the 1 in 1000 (or whatever) occurrence is not
realistic.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial size=2>I am certainly open to other options.
However they just spent 8 months moving an old creaky flat file to a relational MDB FE/BE. They don't have a budget for a $10,000 solution at the moment. What solution can they get for $500?
Moving to SQl Server will be $5k or more. They don't have that, they
have said so. I have done all of the typical "make sure the fields
are indexed" things.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial size=2>So rather than saying "this solution doesn't
work", why don't you suggest a solution that does?</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT face=Arial size=2>John W. Colby</FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial
size=2>Colby Consulting</FONT> <BR><A
href="file://www.ColbyConsulting.com"><U><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>www.ColbyConsulting.com</FONT></U></A> </P>
<P><FONT face=Arial size=2>-----Original Message-----</FONT> <BR><FONT
face=Arial size=2>From: accessd-bounces@databaseadvisors.com</FONT>
<BR><FONT face=Arial size=2>[</FONT><A
href="mailto:accessd-bounces@databaseadvisors.com]On"><U><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff
size=2>mailto:accessd-bounces@databaseadvisors.com]On</FONT></U></A><FONT
face=Arial size=2> Behalf Of Wortz, Charles</FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial
size=2>Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 8:33 AM</FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial
size=2>To: accessd@databaseadvisors.com</FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial
size=2>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Replication - A2K</FONT> </P><BR>
<P><FONT face=Arial size=2>John,</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT face=Arial size=2>But what about the situation where a customer
calls back five minutes</FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial size=2>later with
additional information and gets a different examiner? How is</FONT>
<BR><FONT face=Arial size=2>the second examiner going to be able to get to
the customer's data if</FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial size=2>you replicate on
a 15 minute schedule? This may not be a common</FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial size=2>occurrence, but it does happen and you need to be able
to handle it.</FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial size=2>And don't expect the
customer to remember the name of the first</FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial
size=2>examiner, that solution is a non-starter.</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT face=Arial size=2>Charles Wortz</FONT> </P></BLOCKQUOTE>
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