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size=2>On the other hand, which is more likely to wind up in jail, the manager
or the technical guy? <VBG></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=928372322-11042003><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff
size=2>Charlotte Foust</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader lang=en-us dir=ltr align=left><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Hale, Jim
[mailto:jim.hale@fleetpride.com] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, April 11, 2003 2:14
PM<BR><B>To:</B> 'accessd@databaseadvisors.com'<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE:
[AccessD] OT: Accelerated Masters Programs<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=589210222-11042003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Exactly! Think of your competitive advantage compared to other managers
if you actually understand the technical aspect of what you are managing. They
don't, you do, you win. <g> The other part of the equation IMHO is that
purely technical guys salary levels generally cap out below 6 figures.
Good managers have significant growth potential in both $$ and in terms of
career growth. Of course it is like anything else in life-- you have to enjoy
it if you expect to excel. Few are more miserable than a "manager" who has
risen to his "Peter principle" level.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2>J<SPAN class=589210222-11042003>im
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class=589210222-11042003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff>[Hale,
Jim] </FONT></SPAN>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
Randall Anthony [mailto:ranthony@wrsystems.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, April
11, 2003 2:56 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
'accessd@databaseadvisors.com'<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [AccessD] OT:
Accelerated Masters Programs<BR><BR></DIV></FONT></FONT>
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<DIV><SPAN class=702564619-11042003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Thanks for that tidbit, Charles. I guess I'm just looking to be
identified as a senior technical guy, but not a manager. I already
work for management types who create my project schedules that couldn't
create a form with one table using the Access wizard! <bg>
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size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Wortz, Charles
[mailto:CWortz@tea.state.tx.us]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, April 11, 2003
3:30 PM<BR><B>To:</B> accessd@databaseadvisors.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE:
[AccessD] OT: Accelerated Masters Programs<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=094192419-11042003><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2>Randy,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=094192419-11042003><FONT color=#0000ff size=2>Now that
you state your intention is to work toward senior management, I can state
that an MBA is almost a prerequisite these days to reach that goal.
Also, experience int the operations side of an organization always
helps. With your 10+ years on the technical side with an MIS, you
should consider the information intensive industries as your target
organizations since that gives you 10 years experience in the operational
side already.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<P><SPAN lang=en-us><B><FONT color=#0000ff>Charles Wortz</FONT></B></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN lang=en-us><FONT color=#0000ff>Software Development
Division</FONT></SPAN> <BR><SPAN lang=en-us><FONT color=#0000ff>Texas
Education Agency</FONT></SPAN> <BR><SPAN lang=en-us><FONT
color=#0000ff>1701 N. Congress Ave</FONT></SPAN> <BR><SPAN
lang=en-us><FONT color=#0000ff>Austin, TX 78701-1494</FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN lang=en-us><FONT color=#0000ff>512-463-9493</FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN lang=en-us><FONT
color=#0000ff>CWortz@tea.state.tx.us</FONT></SPAN> </P>
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face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Randall
Anthony [mailto:ranthony@wrsystems.com] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday 2003 Apr
11 14:18<BR><B>To:</B> 'accessd@databaseadvisors.com'<BR><B>Subject:</B>
RE: [AccessD] OT: Accelerated Masters Programs<BR><B>Importance:</B>
Low<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=987431319-11042003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Thanks Jim, I've been mulling over this for quite a bit now.
That's exactly what my intent was, but it seems everyone I've spoken/wrote
to in the tech side is saying ROI is nil. The minute someone sees
MBA or MM it's "oh, this guys on the management track, we want somebody
technical". With my MIS degree, I pretty much do the
translator/referee thing quite a bit. Right now it's running about 8
to 1, "get some certs and experience in those cert skills, you don't need
more education". Thanks again for your advice.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Hale, Jim
[mailto:jim.hale@fleetpride.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, April 11, 2003
2:57 PM<BR><B>To:</B> 'accessd@databaseadvisors.com'<BR><B>Subject:</B>
RE: [AccessD] OT: Accelerated Masters Programs<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<P><FONT size=2>I certainly agree with Charles "if you want to stay on
the technical side of the business." However, if you aspire to
management and eventually senior management positions the combination of
business knowledge and technical expertise is relatively rare and
therefore can give you a decided edge (not to mention more $$). An MBA,
or any degree for that matter, does not by itself grant business smarts
but can certainly point you in the right direction. </FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=2>For example, the ability to bridge the gap as
"translator" and "referee" between IT and accounting staffs by
possessing in depth technical and business knowledge of both camps can
make you close to indispensable in some companies ;-). (Indispensable
also=$$). BTW, Translator/referee/system designer/curmudgeon is
essentially my current job description although I arrived here
bassackwards from your proposed path. (I earned my MBA/CPA first and
became CFO of a NY stock exchange company before switching to the
database/financial reporting side because it is definitely more fun).
Good luck!</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=2>Jim Hale</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=2>-----Original Message-----</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>From:
Wortz, Charles [<A
href="mailto:CWortz@tea.state.tx.us">mailto:CWortz@tea.state.tx.us</A>]</FONT>
<BR><FONT size=2>Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 12:12 PM</FONT> <BR><FONT
size=2>To: accessd@databaseadvisors.com</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>Subject:
RE: [AccessD] OT: Accelerated Masters Programs</FONT> </P><BR>
<P><FONT size=2>Randy,</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=2>As an old professor my opinion is an MBA won't hurt you,
but it probably</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>will not help you if you want to
stay on the technical side of the</FONT> <BR><FONT
size=2>business. With 10+ years experience your resume and your
good</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>references should get you an interview with
any place worth working.</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>All your references
will say you walk on water, won't they? <grin></FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=2>Charles Wortz</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>Software
Development Division</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>Texas Education
Agency</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>1701 N. Congress Ave</FONT> <BR><FONT
size=2>Austin, TX 78701-1494</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>512-463-9493</FONT>
<BR><FONT size=2>CWortz@tea.state.tx.us</FONT> </P><BR><BR>
<P><FONT size=2>-----Original Message-----</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>From:
Randall Anthony [<A
href="mailto:ranthony@wrsystems.com">mailto:ranthony@wrsystems.com</A>]
</FONT><BR><FONT size=2>Sent: Friday 2003 Apr 11 12:01</FONT> <BR><FONT
size=2>To: accessd@databaseadvisors.com</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>Subject:
[AccessD] OT: Accelerated Masters Programs</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=2>Hi y'all. I'm looking for
opinions/suggestions. I'm looking into an</FONT> <BR><FONT
size=2>accelerated Master's degree from Cambridge College (I'm also
looking</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>into Univ of Phoenix online
program). It's an MBA on tech steroids, so</FONT> <BR><FONT
size=2>to speak. Besides proj mgt, etc., I'll learn Oracle 9i, Java,
.net, OOP,</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>XML, HTML, et al. Has any one
gone through this? Better yet, any of</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>the
mgt types here have an opinion on the impact it would have on
down</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>the road? I've got 10+ years in da
business, mainly doing</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>DBA/development in
Access, SQL and .ASP. Your opinions are definitely</FONT> <BR><FONT
size=2>wanted. Thanks!</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=2>Randy @ ext. 473</FONT> <BR><FONT
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