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<DIV><SPAN class=518320712-14042003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Thanks
everybody for your input, I've decided to pass on that program for now, I'm
going to be in hot pursuit of the new MSD cert or similar first, get my tech
affairs in order. I think I'll shoot for the MM in the next couple of
years. Thanks again!!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Hale, Jim
[mailto:jim.hale@fleetpride.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, April 11, 2003 6:59
PM<BR><B>To:</B> 'accessd@databaseadvisors.com'<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE:
[AccessD] OT: Accelerated Masters Programs<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=368130123-11042003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>You
have a point. If the technology guy really is good he should never get caught.
<vbg></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=368130123-11042003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Jim
H</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Charlotte Foust
[mailto:cfoust@infostatsystems.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, April 11, 2003
5:24 PM<BR><B>To:</B> accessd@databaseadvisors.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE:
[AccessD] OT: Accelerated Masters Programs<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=928372322-11042003><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff
size=2>On the other hand, which is more likely to wind up in jail, the
manager or the technical guy? <VBG></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=928372322-11042003><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff
size=2>Charlotte Foust</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader lang=en-us dir=ltr align=left><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Hale, Jim
[mailto:jim.hale@fleetpride.com] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, April 11, 2003
2:14 PM<BR><B>To:</B> 'accessd@databaseadvisors.com'<BR><B>Subject:</B>
RE: [AccessD] OT: Accelerated Masters Programs<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=589210222-11042003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Exactly! Think of your competitive advantage compared to other
managers if you actually understand the technical aspect of what you are
managing. They don't, you do, you win. <g> The other part of the
equation IMHO is that purely technical guys salary levels generally cap
out below 6 figures. Good managers have significant growth potential
in both $$ and in terms of career growth. Of course it is like anything
else in life-- you have to enjoy it if you expect to excel. Few are more
miserable than a "manager" who has risen to his "Peter principle"
level.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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class=589210222-11042003></SPAN><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT
size=2>J<SPAN class=589210222-11042003>im
H</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT
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size=2><SPAN class=589210222-11042003><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>[Hale, Jim] </FONT></SPAN>-----Original
Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Randall Anthony
[mailto:ranthony@wrsystems.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, April 11, 2003
2:56 PM<BR><B>To:</B> 'accessd@databaseadvisors.com'<BR><B>Subject:</B>
RE: [AccessD] OT: Accelerated Masters Programs<BR><BR></DIV></FONT></FONT>
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<DIV><SPAN class=702564619-11042003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Thanks for that tidbit, Charles. I guess I'm just looking
to be identified as a senior technical guy, but not a manager. I
already work for management types who create my project schedules that
couldn't create a form with one table using the Access wizard!
<bg> </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Wortz, Charles
[mailto:CWortz@tea.state.tx.us]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, April 11, 2003
3:30 PM<BR><B>To:</B> accessd@databaseadvisors.com<BR><B>Subject:</B>
RE: [AccessD] OT: Accelerated Masters Programs<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=094192419-11042003><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2>Randy,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=094192419-11042003><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=094192419-11042003><FONT color=#0000ff size=2>Now
that you state your intention is to work toward senior management, I
can state that an MBA is almost a prerequisite these days to reach
that goal. Also, experience int the operations side of an
organization always helps. With your 10+ years on the technical
side with an MIS, you should consider the information intensive
industries as your target organizations since that gives you 10 years
experience in the operational side already.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<P><SPAN lang=en-us><B><FONT color=#0000ff>Charles
Wortz</FONT></B></SPAN> <BR><SPAN lang=en-us><FONT
color=#0000ff>Software Development Division</FONT></SPAN> <BR><SPAN
lang=en-us><FONT color=#0000ff>Texas Education Agency</FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN lang=en-us><FONT color=#0000ff>1701 N. Congress
Ave</FONT></SPAN> <BR><SPAN lang=en-us><FONT color=#0000ff>Austin, TX
78701-1494</FONT></SPAN> <BR><SPAN lang=en-us><FONT
color=#0000ff>512-463-9493</FONT></SPAN> <BR><SPAN lang=en-us><FONT
color=#0000ff>CWortz@tea.state.tx.us</FONT></SPAN> </P>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader lang=en-us dir=ltr align=left><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Randall
Anthony [mailto:ranthony@wrsystems.com] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday 2003
Apr 11 14:18<BR><B>To:</B>
'accessd@databaseadvisors.com'<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [AccessD] OT:
Accelerated Masters Programs<BR><B>Importance:</B>
Low<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=987431319-11042003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Thanks Jim, I've been mulling over this for quite a bit
now. That's exactly what my intent was, but it seems everyone
I've spoken/wrote to in the tech side is saying ROI is nil. The
minute someone sees MBA or MM it's "oh, this guys on the management
track, we want somebody technical". With my MIS degree, I pretty
much do the translator/referee thing quite a bit. Right now it's
running about 8 to 1, "get some certs and experience in those cert
skills, you don't need more education". Thanks again for your
advice.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Hale, Jim
[mailto:jim.hale@fleetpride.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, April 11,
2003 2:57 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
'accessd@databaseadvisors.com'<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [AccessD] OT:
Accelerated Masters Programs<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<P><FONT size=2>I certainly agree with Charles "if you want to stay
on the technical side of the business." However, if you aspire to
management and eventually senior management positions the
combination of business knowledge and technical expertise is
relatively rare and therefore can give you a decided edge (not to
mention more $$). An MBA, or any degree for that matter, does not by
itself grant business smarts but can certainly point you in the
right direction. </FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=2>For example, the ability to bridge the gap as
"translator" and "referee" between IT and accounting staffs by
possessing in depth technical and business knowledge of both camps
can make you close to indispensable in some companies ;-).
(Indispensable also=$$). BTW, Translator/referee/system
designer/curmudgeon is essentially my current job description
although I arrived here bassackwards from your proposed path. (I
earned my MBA/CPA first and became CFO of a NY stock exchange
company before switching to the database/financial reporting side
because it is definitely more fun). Good luck!</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=2>Jim Hale</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=2>-----Original Message-----</FONT> <BR><FONT
size=2>From: Wortz, Charles [<A
href="mailto:CWortz@tea.state.tx.us">mailto:CWortz@tea.state.tx.us</A>]</FONT>
<BR><FONT size=2>Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 12:12 PM</FONT>
<BR><FONT size=2>To: accessd@databaseadvisors.com</FONT> <BR><FONT
size=2>Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Accelerated Masters
Programs</FONT> </P><BR>
<P><FONT size=2>Randy,</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=2>As an old professor my opinion is an MBA won't hurt
you, but it probably</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>will not help you if
you want to stay on the technical side of the</FONT> <BR><FONT
size=2>business. With 10+ years experience your resume and
your good</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>references should get you an
interview with any place worth working.</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>All
your references will say you walk on water, won't they?
<grin></FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=2>Charles Wortz</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>Software
Development Division</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>Texas Education
Agency</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>1701 N. Congress Ave</FONT> <BR><FONT
size=2>Austin, TX 78701-1494</FONT> <BR><FONT
size=2>512-463-9493</FONT> <BR><FONT
size=2>CWortz@tea.state.tx.us</FONT> </P><BR><BR>
<P><FONT size=2>-----Original Message-----</FONT> <BR><FONT
size=2>From: Randall Anthony [<A
href="mailto:ranthony@wrsystems.com">mailto:ranthony@wrsystems.com</A>]
</FONT><BR><FONT size=2>Sent: Friday 2003 Apr 11 12:01</FONT>
<BR><FONT size=2>To: accessd@databaseadvisors.com</FONT> <BR><FONT
size=2>Subject: [AccessD] OT: Accelerated Masters Programs</FONT>
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<P><FONT size=2>Hi y'all. I'm looking for
opinions/suggestions. I'm looking into an</FONT> <BR><FONT
size=2>accelerated Master's degree from Cambridge College (I'm also
looking</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>into Univ of Phoenix online
program). It's an MBA on tech steroids, so</FONT> <BR><FONT
size=2>to speak. Besides proj mgt, etc., I'll learn Oracle 9i, Java,
.net, OOP,</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>XML, HTML, et al. Has any
one gone through this? Better yet, any of</FONT> <BR><FONT
size=2>the mgt types here have an opinion on the impact it would
have on down</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>the road? I've got 10+
years in da business, mainly doing</FONT> <BR><FONT
size=2>DBA/development in Access, SQL and .ASP. Your opinions are
definitely</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>wanted. Thanks!</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=2>Randy @ ext. 473</FONT> <BR><FONT
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