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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I think this comment is way out of
line. You have just dismissed Tina's comments entirely - relegating her to a
status you imagine her to have. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Kath</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=CWortz@tea.state.tx.us href="mailto:CWortz@tea.state.tx.us">Wortz,
Charles</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=accessd@databaseadvisors.com
href="mailto:accessd@databaseadvisors.com">accessd@databaseadvisors.com</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, June 13, 2003 2:21 AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [AccessD] OT: the
"Education" system</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Drew,<BR><BR>I think it is a cultural thing. Many women
are trained from childhood<BR>to be submissive. Thus, unless they get
assertiveness training, or have<BR>made a significant accomplishment such as
getting a degree, they tend to<BR>be submissive as adults.<BR><BR>Charles
Wortz<BR>Software Development Division<BR>Texas Education Agency<BR>1701 N.
Congress Ave<BR>Austin, TX 78701-1494<BR>512-463-9493<BR><A
href="mailto:CWortz@tea.state.tx.us">CWortz@tea.state.tx.us</A><BR><BR><BR><BR>-----Original
Message-----<BR>From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA@marlow.com] <BR>Sent: Thursday
2003 Jun 12 11:11<BR>To: <A
href="mailto:'accessd@databaseadvisors.com'">'accessd@databaseadvisors.com'</A><BR>Subject:
RE: [AccessD] OT: the "Education" system<BR><BR>Interesting.<BR><BR>I have
never really felt 'downhill' though. In fact, many times I feel<BR>like
I am uphill from people with degrees, because I see the solution,<BR>and they
are flapping in the wind. Oh well.<BR><BR>Drew<BR><BR>-----Original
Message-----<BR>From: Tina Norris Fields
[mailto:tinanfields@torchlake.com]<BR>Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 6:59
AM<BR>To: <A
href="mailto:accessd@databaseadvisors.com">accessd@databaseadvisors.com</A><BR>Subject:
Re: [AccessD] OT: the "Education" system<BR><BR><BR>Martin, you may have to go
get that degree, just to shut them up.<BR><BR>After some 14 years of
experience as an export manager, with a side <BR>interest in office automation
and the stuff that supports it, I one day <BR>found myself needing a new
job. I had no degree, just knowledge. I had<BR><BR>come from the
midwest, where "equivalent experience" was a qualifier for<BR><BR>those
without the academic credentials. But, I was in New England <BR>(Boston,
to be exact), and "equivalent experience" carried no weight
<BR>whatsoever. I actually got turned down for a position where the only
<BR>other candidate was a recent graduate with a degree and no experience -
<BR>degree NOT in international trade or business, by the way. The
<BR>interviewer said: "I couldn't justify choosing you over a degreed
<BR>person." Wow! I did go back to school at New Hampshire College
(now <BR>Southern New Hampshire University) and got my degree in Business and
<BR>Computer Science. Now, I teach adults how to use computers - from
the <BR>complete "newbie" who doesn't know where the ON switch is, to folks
<BR>wanting to learn any of the Microsoft Office Suite programs. I also
<BR>develop Access database applications and stuff for private clients.
<BR> It's fun.<BR><BR>The thing that really surprised me was that after I
had my degree, I <BR>felt different in those meetings with other staff.
I hadn't realized <BR>that I had felt "down hill" from everybody before the
degree - but I did<BR><BR>notice the change in my level of confidence once I
was wearing my gold <BR>key (yes Summa Cum Laude - motivation is a wonderful
thing). So, in <BR>your "free" time, Martin, why not enroll in a college
or university that<BR><BR>offers a complete degree in your area of interest
via the Internet? <BR> When you get your gold key, those pompous jerks
will have to shut up.<BR><BR>My local college hired me from time-to-time as
adjunct faculty when they<BR><BR>needed my knowledge and they couldn't get
anyone with the academic <BR>credentials to teach the class (summers,
especially). I still work as a<BR><BR>contract instructor for the
Extended Education Services division of the <BR>college - teaching adults who
really want to know the
stuff.<BR><BR>Tina<BR>_______________________________________________<BR>AccessD
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