jwcolby
jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com
Wed Mar 26 10:43:15 CDT 2008
LOL, no you didn't piss me off more. I know all of what you are saying. And the members of this list, while irritated that I state the obvious, have been an immense help. John W. Colby Colby Consulting www.ColbyConsulting.com -----Original Message----- From: dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-sqlserver-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David Lewis Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 11:29 AM To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [dba-SQLServer] QLRE: Copy a database using a stored procedureor Hi John: I don't think this will really 'help' you at this point, but it may make it a little easier for you to accept your situation the next time you start getting annoyed... You accepted a job that requires (form the sounds of it) a full-scale rdms -- Access wouldn't fit the bill. All the functionality that Access wrapped up neatly into gui's is in sql server, but not necessarily in a gui, and generally in a much more powerful and flexible form. But, as you are discovering, each of the things you are trying to do requires quite a learning curve. That isn't the fault of sql server -- it was built for needs that presuppose a fairly deep bench. Most places that use all the functions that you are using have a person(s) that specialize in each of the functions. There is a T-sql guy, an SSIS guy, a dba for tuning, backups and restores, etc. You are wearing many hats, and all the hats are pretty sophisticated. To take a very simple example, if you are used to building queries in Access using its gui, you've got a repertoire of approaches to getting the data you want. When you move to sql server, the gui for building queries is pretty crude, and if you take the plunge and go to the screen to write raw t-sql, you begin to discover many many many t-sql commands that either you didn't know existed, or had only heard of but had never tried (I am speaking from my own experience). Many of these turn problems that in access were a pain in the neck to solve, into pretty something trivial. I am speaking of sub-queries, case statements, correllated sub-queries, derived tables, etc. etc. etc. Using these in Access is nearly impossible, or actually impossible, so Access people generally never learn to use them. At least that was my experience (I didn't learn to write t-sql until I moved to sql server, and now I shudder at the thought of having to use access' gui to build a query). This example holds true for all the tools you are trying to use. Not a pleasant or comfortable state of affairs for you, but that is the way it is. When I have found myself in a similar position in the past, for example completely stuck on how to use DTS (now SSIS), I looked for a person who could work side by side with me to get things done; in that way I was able to learn from an expert (or at least someone with a lot more experience than I). That means spending money on a consultant, and I don't know how that fits with the economics of this job, but either way you look at it you need training or help, and that generally doesn't come cheap. Hope this helps (but of course I realize it likely just pissed you off more!) David The contents of this e-mail message and its attachments are covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act (18 U.S.C. 2510-2521) and are intended solely for the addressee(s) hereof. If you are not the named recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivering the message to the intended recipient, or if this message has been addressed to you in error, you are directed not to read, disclose, reproduce, distribute, disseminate or otherwise use this transmission. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by return e-mail or by telephone, 530-893-3520, and delete and/or destroy all copies of the message immediately. _______________________________________________ dba-SQLServer mailing list dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver http://www.databaseadvisors.com