[dba-Tech] Re: [] Wireless network (sort of)

Francisco H Tapia my.lists at verizon.net
Mon Nov 3 13:11:19 CST 2003


Jim,
 I'm replying to the dba-tech list as that is the proper list for this 
topic :).  On that note, some of your more recent Switches also come w/ 
somthing called spanning trees.

Jim Dettman wrote:

>Drew/Erwin,
>
>  One minor correction.  Switches don't use NAT tables.  They use MAC
>Address lists and ARP tables.  NAT is something done only in a router.
>
>Jim Dettman
>President,
>Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
>(315) 699-3443
>jimdettman at earthlink.net
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
>Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 11:59 AM
>To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
>
>
>Read Erwins post a little while ago, was waiting for your's before I
>replied! <grin>
>
>Erwin, switches also use NAT tables.  Because of this, they don't have to
>broadcast everything in all directions.  They're 'smart', when a packet
>comes in, they can properly direct it.  The downside to the NAT tables is
>that if you blow the NAT table away, it has to be rebuilt, so sometimes on
>an initial powerup, a switch may seem slower, which is simply the time it is
>using to build the NAT tables.
>
>Drew
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Frank Tanner III [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
>Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 8:35 AM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort of)
>
>
>And they improve speed.
>
>Because they do not SHARE the bandwidth amongst the
>ports.  A 10-BaseT hub SHARES that speed amongst the
>available ports.  This dividing the individual
>bandwidth per port.
>
>A switch allocates all available bandwidth on a PER
>PORT basis.
>
>Maybe you need to learn what you are talking about
>before you give out false information.
>
>--- Erwin Craps <Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be> wrote:
>  
>
>>And to be correct, switches don't improve speed
>>(compared to hub's) they
>>improve bandwith and reduce collisions!!!
>>Switches create virtual point to point connections.
>>
>>Switches do improve speed compared to routers.
>>
>>Erwin
>>
>>-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
>>Van: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] Namens
>>Frank Tanner III
>>Verzonden: zaterdag 1 november 2003 16:23
>>Aan: Access Developers discussion and problem
>>solving
>>Onderwerp: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort
>>of)
>>
>>
>>Switches will ALWAYS improve your speed over hubs.
>>Period.
>>
>>Hubs SHARE the same bandwidth on all ports.
>>Switches
>>allocate the max bandwidth per port.
>>
>>You are incorrect.
>>
>>--- Erwin Craps <Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be> wrote:
>>    
>>
>>>But switches have no sense in a 1 server
>>>      
>>>
>>environment
>>    
>>
>>>because all of the
>>>trafic goes and comes from one point.
>>>Unless your clients are 100Mb and the uplink to
>>>      
>>>
>>the
>>    
>>
>>>server is 1Gb.
>>>
>>>People often believe switches will improve their
>>>network speed, but that
>>>is not always the case.
>>>But indeed the prices of the switches have dropped
>>>that you buy a switch
>>>at the price of a good hub these days.
>>>
>>>Erwin
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On
>>>Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
>>>- Beach Access Software
>>>Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 1:55 AM
>>>To: Access Developers discussion and problem
>>>      
>>>
>>solving
>>    
>>
>>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort
>>>of)
>>>
>>>
>>>Got it. I think.  Switch can route packet based on
>>>IP address but can't
>>>generate an IP address.  Yes?
>>>
>>>Rocky
>>>
>>>
>>>Rocky
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Frank Tanner III"
>>>      
>>>
>><pctech at mybellybutton.com>
>>    
>>
>>>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
>>>solving"
>>><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>>>Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 10:29 AM
>>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network (sort
>>>of)
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>It is sort of half-way, but not really.
>>>>
>>>>Switches are a "generation" better.  Hubs and
>>>>switches, on their most basic level perform the
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>same function.  They
>>>      
>>>
>>>>distribute network traffic.  But HOW they
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>distribute that traffic is
>>>      
>>>
>>>>fundimentally different.
>>>>
>>>>Unless they're one of the newer layer 3 or layer
>>>>        
>>>>
>>4 switches, they
>>    
>>
>>>>cannot perform routing functions.
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>They
>>>      
>>>
>>>>just hand packets off from point A to point B.
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>Think
>>>      
>>>
>>>>of them as sort of a postman.  They have an
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>address
>>>      
>>>
>>>>for each device on the network and they hand off
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>each
>>>      
>>>
>>>>piece of mail to the appropriate address.  A
>>>>        
>>>>
>>hub,
>>    
>>
>>>>using this sama analagy would deliver the same
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>piece
>>>      
>>>
>>>>of mail to every house and the one that it
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>belonged to
>>>      
>>>
>>>>would be the one that actually reads it.
>>>>
>>>>--- Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
>>>>        
>>>>
>><bchacc at san.rr.com> wrote:
>>    
>>
>>>>>"but it's as close as I could think of without
>>>>>getting too technical."
>>>>>
>>>>>Thank you.  Much appreciated.  So a switch is
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>like
>>>      
>>>
>>>>>halfway between a hub and
>>>>>a router?
>>>>>
>>>>>Rocky
>>>>>
>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>From: "Frank Tanner III"
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>><pctech at mybellybutton.com>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem
>>>>>solving"
>>>>><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>>>>>Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 7:36 AM
>>>>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Wireless network
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>(sort
>>>      
>>>
>>>>>of)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>>>>A router and a switch are fundimentall
>>>>>>            
>>>>>>
>>>different
>>>      
>>>
>>>>>>things.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>A router does just that.  It routes network
>>>>>>            
>>>>>>
>>>>>traffic.
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>>>>A switch plays "traffic cop" for a network.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Newer switches, especially the layer 3 and
>>>>>>            
>>>>>>
>>>layer 4
>>>      
>>>
>>>>>>ones can perform both functions.This isn't
>>>>>>            
>>>>>>
>>an
>>    
>>
>>>>>exact
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>>>>definition, but it's as close as I could
>>>>>>            
>>>>>>
>>think
>>    
>>
>>>of
>>>      
>>>
>>>>>>without getting too technical.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>--- Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
>>>>>>            
>>>>>>
>>><bchacc at san.rr.com>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>            
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Is there a difference between a switch and
>>>>>>>              
>>>>>>>
>>a
>>    
>>
>>>>>router?
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Rocky
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>From: "Frank Tanner III"
>>>>>>>              
>>>>>>>
>>>>><pctech at mybellybutton.com>
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>>>>>To: "Access Developers discussion and
>>>>>>>              
>>>>>>>
>>>problem
>>>      
>>>
>>>>>>>solving"
>>>>>>><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>>>>>>>Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 6:54 AM
>>>>>>>Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Wireless
>>>>>>>              
>>>>>>>
>>network
>>    
>>
>>>>>(sort
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>>>>>of)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>              
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I recommend "hardwiring" the IP address
>>>>>>>>                
>>>>>>>>
>>of
>>    
>>
>>>any
>>>      
>>>
>>>>>>>device
>>>>>>>              
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>or server connected to your LAN that's
>>>>>>>>                
>>>>>>>>
>>not
>>    
>>
>>>a workstation and
>>>      
>>>
>>>>>>>>is virtually always on.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>For the price, I would also highly
>>>>>>>>                
>>>>>>>>
>>>recommend
>>>      
>>>
>>>>>>>removing
>>>>>>>              
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>all hubs from your network and using
>>>>>>>>                
>>>>>>>>
>>them
>>    
>>
>>>as doorstops.
>>>      
>>>
>>>>>>>>Switches have come way down in
>>>>>>>>                
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>price
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>              
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>have many benifits over hubs.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Hubs divide the bandwidth across all
>>>>>>>>                
>>>>>>>>
>>>ports.
>>>      
>>>
>>>>>Thus
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>>>>>if
>>>>>>>              
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>you have an 8-port 10-BaseT hub, all
>>>>>>>>                
>>>>>>>>
>>ports
>>    
>>
>>>>>that
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>>>>>are
>>>>>>>              
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>processing data split that 10Mbit.  A
>>>>>>>>                
>>>>>>>>
>=== message truncated ===
>
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-Francisco




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