John Bartow
john at winhaven.net
Thu Dec 2 12:25:51 CST 2004
Drew, I'm fairly sure I did that but I have to go through my list. Thanks, John -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 12:08 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Server versions Look into the Kerebos encryption too. Sounds a lot like the problem we had. Drew -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 11:55 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Server versions LOL "Teaching my grandmother to suck eggs"?! :o) Andy, I welcome all advice! You never know what you didn't try until someone tells you. And, by the description, you certainly would have thought this was the answer I was looking for! I searched and searched and I never found this particular solution. I suppose the last time I searched for this (using the magically correct sequence of search terms) was October 14th as it was posted October 15th. I will give it a try along with the dozen or so other possible solutions I have been accumulating. (I save these proposed solutions up and go in at night every 2 weeks and try them out - tedious procedures...) John "I guess its does pay to vent one's frustrations" B. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Andy Lacey Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 10:11 AM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Server versions Many thanks for your insights everyone. Keep em coming everyone else. John B I'm probably teaching my grandmother to suck eggs here but your problem couldn't be realted to this that I stumbled across could it? http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=272594 -- Andy Lacey http://www.minstersystems.co.uk --------- Original Message -------- From: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Server versions Date: 02/12/04 16:08 > > Hi Andy, > I have a few 2003 servers on clients sites. > > One network with <20 users and no windows domain/AD. W2k3 Server basically > functions as file/print server (it does a few other mundane tasks) Works > like a charm! Have never had issue with it since Jan 04. Clients include > W98se, W2k, WXP. > > Since that went sooo smooth I recently installed W2k3 Server in another > office - IT is a veritable nightmare. A network with <20 users and W2k3 is > Primary Domain Controller PDC, file server/print server replacing a very > old, slow, on its last legs NT4 server which was doing the same. Clients > include WME, WXP. First off, the migration tools were a joke. Nothing worked > and when it came down to troubleshooting them I decided the time spent would > be better off just starting from scratch. So don't be fooled into thinking a > NT4 to W2k3 migration will work (or at least be easy) > > Basically the WME workstations cannot login reliably. About half the time > they try to login they get an error that they cannot be authenticated. The > only thing that seems to work (and I know, this makes NO SENSE considering > they just booted up) they have to shut down and restart, then they can log > in. Because these PCs had a history belonging to a NT4 domain I reloaded ME > from scratch on one of these to see if it made a difference and it did not. > > XP never has a problem validating but the login is veryyyy slow. It takes > about two minutes to authenticate. The new XP user work flow: boot up - get > coffee, type password - get coffee, caffeine buzzed - start working! ;o) > > I have discussed this with network engineers and they have no solutions. Of > course with WME they just shake their heads and mumble "Many Errors". But > this a non-profit that can't go out and just replace all their ME PCs or > even upgrade them all to XP (which of course would be slow logging in). They > claim XP is validating as a Guest even though the user is a domain client - > they say its something Microsoft did with XP. I haven't been able to find > anything that resolves either of these issues. Oh how I wish I had went with > W2k > > The Network Engineers I've talked to advise sticking with W2k server and > clients. W2k3 server is good if your not going to use it as a PDC and if its > not going to part of an W2k server Active Directory Domain. They say W2k3 > will try to take over the AD. > > Well there's my 2 cents and a lot of beef :o) > > John B. > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Andy Lacey > Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 4:35 AM > To: Dba Tech > Subject: [dba-Tech] Server versions > > > Dear all > Your advice is sought. > > If a customer was thinking of upgrading from NT4 Server would the consensus > of opinion be to go to W2003 Server or W2000 Server? I ask because he has a > mix of W98 and W2K clients so is familiar with W2K and is therefore drawn to > W2K Server (still just about available to buy). But it will no doubt have a > shorter life than W2003 Server. So that is one point in W2003 Server's > favour, but what are the other pros and cons? > > -- > Andy Lacey > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk > > > > > ________________________________________________ > Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com