[dba-Tech] RE: Going to Raid - Win2K

William Hindman wdhindman at bellsouth.net
Sat May 15 10:49:42 CDT 2004


...the only way of mirroring a drive under WXP on a WXP system, that I'm
aware of, is using a hardware RAID board that does the mirroring beneath the
WXP layer ...I'd love to be proved wrong on that.

William Hindman
"The world's becoming a museum of socialist failures." John Dos Passos


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "DJK(John) Robinson" <djkr at msn.com>
To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2004 10:20 AM
Subject: [dba-Tech] RE: Going to Raid - Win2K


> (was [AccessD])
>
> All the Win2K documentation I can find says that a software mirror (RAID
1)
> can be ONLY on Win2K Server, not Win2K Pro.  A possible area of confusion
is
> that you can apparently use Win2k Pro to create a mirror on a Server, so I
> guess the administrative software is on both but the functional code only
on
> the Server.
>
> With WinXP Pro you can do it, however.
>
> Copying files on NT4?  Is (was) this a supported facility?  Sure, it might
> work, but would I trust valuable data to it?  Doubtful.  Irrelevant now,
> anyway.
>
> HTH
> John
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of JMoss
> > Sent: 15 May 2004 07:09
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Going to Raid - Win2K
> >
> >
> > I was looking around in diskmanagement on 2000 pro and it
> > appears to have RAID 1 configurability. In NT4 you had to
> > copy files from server to get the RAID 1 configurability in
> > NT 4 Workstation.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of JMoss
> > Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2004 12:40 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Going to Raid - Win2K
> >
> >
> > With the Promise RAID, you get two cables. I think that you
> > can put both drives on one cable but I also think that the
> > controller has a channel per connector, which is almost as
> > good as having two controllers for duplexing in case a
> > controller flakes.
> >
> > I can't lay my hands on a manual right now so I cant be sure
> > about the  two drives on a cable, but like I said I think
> > that you gain a channel by using both connectors, and thats
> > just like adding a pair of suspenders along with a belt to
> > insure that your pants stay up.
> >
> > This is definitely the way to go for anyone that just
> > absolutely can't afford to lose their data, and a lot of
> > motherboards are shipping with RAID controllers on board. I
> > read somewhere, maybe on winternals.com that you can use the
> > software RAID functionality of Win 2000 Server on 2000 Pro.
> >
> > J
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
> > John W. Colby
> > Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2004 12:22 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Going to Raid - Win2K
> >
> >
> > This brings up another question, do you place both mirror
> > drives on the same IDE cable?  If you can choose, is there
> > any advantage to giving each drive it's own IDE cable
> > (simultaneous operations and the like)?.
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.ColbyConsulting.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of JMoss
> > Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2004 1:01 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Going to Raid - Win2K
> >
> >
> > John,
> >
> > If the Highpoint is anything like the Promise RAID
> > controller, all that you have to do is load the drivers with
> > the first drive still connected to the original controller,
> > and then reboot. At the reboot, power down the system move
> > the controller cable to the RAID controller and plug the new
> > drive in also. Just make sure you know which connector is
> > which. When the system reboots, the RAID utility runs and
> > allows you to build the mirror. One thing, make sure that the
> > RAID is set for Security rather than Performance because
> > performance doesn't mirror but stripes. See this link for an
> > explanation of RAID 0 striping, and RAID 1 mirroring.
> >
> > You might want to check out some other vendor than Newegg,
> > because they recently starting collecting sales tax, or they
> > did in Tennessee. Sales tax and their shipping rates forced
> > me to switch back to www.tcwo.com who's shipping in a flat
> > $6.95 for up to 150 lbs, plus they don't collect Tennessee tax.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
> > John W. Colby
> > Sent: Friday, May 14, 2004 11:44 PM
> > To: Tech - Database Advisors Inc.; AccessD
> > Subject: [AccessD] Going to Raid - Win2K
> >
> >
> > Folks,
> >
> > About 6 months ago my less than one year old Maxtor 120g hard
> > drive bit the dust.  I replaced it with an old 40g drive I
> > had laying around and a 160g drive.  I had intended to just
> > replace it with a 160g but quickly discovered that Win2K
> > doesn't natively support large hard disks until you get SP3
> > or better installed and manually edit the registry.  Thus the
> > old 40g to get
> > Windows up, then the 160g set up.   That 40g drive failed
> > this week.  In
> > both cases my C: drive (partition) was lost.  Backups simply
> > aren't the end all and be all in a case like this because of
> > all the programs and individualized settings for each program
> > - the registry etc.
> >
> > What I have learned from this is that the lost productivity
> > was roughly 2-3 days per incident, waaaay more than the delta
> > cost of Raid 1.  I have decided not to go through that again.
> >  I am now researching a Raid 1 solution (simple mirror) using
> > a pair of Maxtor 120g drives.  This gives me 40g for the
> > system partition (drive c:) and 80g for my dev stuff, web dev etc.
> >
> > My current choice for controller (I do have $ limits to face)
> > is a Highpoint RocketRaid 133.  In order to get back up
> > before the weekend I went down to Staples and plunked down
> > the $ for a Maxtor 6y120P0 120g 8mb buffer hard disk.  My
> > intention at this point is to order a matching drive and the
> > raid controller from www.Egghead.com and when I get it, set
> > up the mirror.  I have a couple of questions though for
> > anyone who may have experience in this.
> >
> > 1) I have already partitioned the new drive and installed
> > Win2K Pro, Office and other programs.  Once I get the
> > controller, can I just unplug this disk from my motherboard,
> > plug it in to the raid controller, plug the matching drive
> > in, and tell something to "set up the mirror"?  I.e. the new
> > drive gets the exact same partitions (there are three of
> > them) created, files written, and I'm up and running mirrored?
> >
> > 2) If not am I facing a reinstall of everything again?
> >
> > 3) Is there anything I need to know?  I just want it to work
> > - I am not a
> > (trained) system admin, I am a developer working in a SOHO.
> >
> > The idea is to get my dev system set up so that all of my
> > installed software and development stuff never again die
> > because a disk dies.  I have found and read a bunch of
> > articles on raid in general but can't find any detailed
> > information on the PROCESS of setting the thing up, and
> > specifically with this controller.  I assume the
> > documentation with the controller will tell me most of what I
> > need to know, but of course.... what can go wrong will.
> >
> > Any comments or suggestions appreciated.
> >
> > John W. Colby
> >
> >
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