[dba-Tech] Phonographs to CDs

"I have the usual assortment of Talking Heads, Clash and Tupelo Chainsex,
too" Arthur

...ah me ...I'm a cultural deficit all by myself :(

William Hindman
"The world's becoming a museum of socialist failures." John Dos Passos


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arthur Fuller" <artful at rogers.com>
To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2004 8:28 AM
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Phonographs to CDs


> >> Why not record them as MP3s?
>
> Gee, Drew, most of your posts have led me to think you are one very
> smart guy! And then you go ask a question like this! Clearly your
> musical tastes are decidedly limited (by range of Hz and volume, if not
> genre). MP3 is fine if all you listen to is rock or jazz, whose Hz and
> volume range is decidedly limited. Try an MP3 of almost anything
> classical, though, and you'll see the gaping flaws in this compression
> technology. I made an MP3 from Beethoven's Archduke Trio, for example.
> You'll wonder where the low notes on the cello went, and the implied
> harmonics on the violin. They're simply gone.
>
> Granted, not all my phonographs are Euro-classical, or Indian-classical.
> I have the usual assortment of Talking Heads, Clash and Tupelo Chainsex,
> too. But I have over 100 phonos of Beethoven alone (all the symphonies,
> the trios, the piano sonatas and the string quartets), and compared to
> Bach, Ludy was not prolific. And then there's the Mozart stuff. MP3s
> just don't cut it.
>
> Arthur
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> Sent: Friday, May 14, 2004 8:31 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Phonographs to CDs
>
>
> I am assuming you are porting the record player into your computer's
> sound card.  They make software packages that will record the input or
> output of your soundcard into any format that you want.  Since you found
> a 'simple' solution for actually recording them, why not simplify the
> process of recording them.  Instead of burning them directly to CD, why
> not record them to your computer as MP3's.  That gives you several
> freedoms.  One, most turntables allow you to put multiple records on
> them, and when the one playing is done, it drops the next.  That gives
> you a 'cycle' to allow you to run several at a time, without
> 'monitoring' it and without swapping CD-R's on your computer.  Two, if
> you are recording them to MP3's, you have a few advantages.  First, in
> CD format, you will probably only get 1 LP per CD.  Maybe two, and maybe
> less then 1.  Either way, you are going to be wasting space on CD's.
> Not too mention that CD's take up room too. However, a CD ripped to MP3
> format is going to run 3 to 5 megs per song. Even if you are averaging
> high, that would be 5 megs per song and let's say 15 songs a pop, you
> are only talking about 75 megs per LP.  That would be ~75 gigs per 1,000
> LP's, so for 3,000 LP's, you're talking 225 gigs. This is a high
> estimate too, I just looked at the folder I just ripped my Queen's
> greatest Hits CD too, and it has 17 songs, and is only 67 megs.  So I
> would hazard a guess that you could get 3,000 LP's onto about 150 to 200
> gigs. Then again, aren't LP's 45 minutes a side, which would be 90
> minutes an LP, so it would be larger then a CD, and probably closer to
> 75 megs a pop.
>
> Anyhow, just looked on eCost.com, and they have a Maxtor 200 gig drive
> for $149.  Their 100 pack of CD's is $29.  So to get 3000 CD's, you're
> talking $870.  Instead, get a large hard drive, and buy a bunch of
> CD-RW's.  Though not all CD players will play CD-RW's.  However, if you
> buy a MP3 player (cd version), you can put close to 10 LP's on one MP3
> cd.  Going the direct CD route is going to cost you at least 4 times as
> much.
>
> On top of that, you get a REALLY nice perk.  By putting everything into
> MP3 format, on a single hard drive, you have a single backup source.
> Want to make it 'safe' for posterity, just buy another drive, and copy
> it over.  One big transfer, instead of trying to copy 3,000 CD's.  Grin.
>
> I will tell you that logistically speaking, you're biggest obstacle
> isn't going to be the copying process.  It's going to be the
> 'information recording' process.  CD's are recorded on internet CDDB's,
> based on their individual ID's.  LP's don't have that, so there is
> nothing available to automatically populate the list of songs on an LP.
> Their may be databases out there with the 'tracks' on an LP, that you
> could have Access automatically rename the MP3 files into their
> appropriate album and song names (of course, you'll also have to find
> something to 'split' the LP MP3's into individual songs, honestly, that
> actually wouldn't be too difficult, you could probably make you're own
> 'splitter' in VB, though they probably have something like that
> available.)
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Friday, May 14, 2004 10:23 AM
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Phonographs to CDs
>
>
> I am pleased to report that I have finally conquered this problem. I can
> now burn a CD from a record on my turntable! It turned out to be
> ludicrousy easy. Reminds me of the old joke about the guy who punches
> the refridgerator to make it work again ("it's not the punch, it's
> knowing where to punch"). I simply didn't believe it could be this easy.
>
> Now for the hard part. I have approximately 3,000 LPs, virtually all of
> them in mint or close-to-mint condition. (An Oracle turntable helps :)
> Anyone got any ideas how I can automate their recordings? Perhaps an
> illegal immigrant at a dollar a day :)
>
> Arthur
>
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