[dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET

Drew Wutka dbatech at wolfwares.com
Thu Nov 18 10:38:14 CST 2004


UseNet has been around for a long time.  I think it started in 81.

There were ISP's.  Prodigy, and Compuserve come to mind.  A lot of BBSes
hopped onto smaller 'nets', like FIDONET.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 9:42 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET


I don't have a clue where you got into that net.  At a university?  I worked
at many companies and NOBODY had any access to "the internet", nobody I
talked to knew anything about it, never mentioned it etc.  There were no
ISPs that I am aware of.  I have just done a scan for history of the
internet and find that the term itself was codified in 1995, at which time
there were roughly 50,000 networks on the internet; in 1993 only about
19,000 networks attached.

I am quite well aware that the foundation existed clear back in the 60s and
70s, but my point was that today you can jump on the internet and "google"
any subject you want and end up with thousands of hits.  In 1994 you somehow
had access to a MS Access newsgroup.  Having access to a newsgroup and
having access to billions of pages of information on any subject you care to
read about are two very different things.

Kinda like comparing an office building to a group of women sitting round
the campfire in front of the cave.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com

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-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 6:39 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET


No, John :)

The newsgroup was very active and these were very interesting times when
everybody were equally unaware what MS Access is and to find a new
application of a feature or how to better process a certain event was really
helpful for quite some participants of this newsgroup... ...when I've first
got ADH for MS Access 2.0 in 1995 I didn't find something really new to read
from it...

Shamil

----- Original Message -----
From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'"
<dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 3:24 AM
Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET


> Shamil,
>
> That's about like saying the caveman had office buildings because the
women
> sat around a campfire in front of the cave.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
> http://folding.stanford.edu/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
> Salakhetdinov
> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 5:07 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
>
>
> <<<
> in 1994 and there was no internet.
> >>>
> John,
>
> It was Internet that time!
> AFAIKR I did participate in usenet MS Access newgroup starting May or
> July 1994 :) ...
>
> Shamil
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'"
> <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 12:31 AM
> Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
>
>
> > ROTFL.
> >
> > I have to believe though that you have forgotten your early days
> > learning Access, when all the millions of properties and events were
> > so much Greek, and you had no idea what an object model was, never
> > mind how to find it or how to interpret it.
> >
> > I distinctly remember moving from procedural "start at the top (or
> > with Turbo Pascal - the bottom) and start executing" code to Event
> > driven "how can you ever know where the code is going to execute
> > next".  I really got into Access "full time" in 1994 and there was
> > no internet.  There was no Access Users Group, in fact I was on the
> > BOD of the San Diego Users Group sitting in on that first meeting
> > singing "halleluiah" that I would finally have someone to talk to
> > about Access.  Once a month users group meetings. There were very
> > few books, and the ADH was waaaaay over my head.
> >
> > Yea sure, now that I have spent 10 years learning it, Access is
> > indeed "chocolates on the pillow".
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.ColbyConsulting.com
> >
> > Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause:
> > http://folding.stanford.edu/
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steven
> > W.
> Erbach
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 12:06 PM
> > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> > Subject: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET
> >
> >
> > Dear Group,
> >
> > For what it's worth, I've come up with a suitable metaphor to
> > describe the difference between writing an application in Microsoft
> > Access and writing that same application using .NET technologies.
> >
> > Microsoft Access is like living in a luxury hotel with hot and cold
> running
> > chamber maids, laundry service, shoe shining service, room service,
> > beds made every day, carpet vacuumed every day, fresh flowers every
> > day, fresh linen, those nifty little soaps and bottles of shampoo,
> > Magic Fingers massage bed, chocolates on the pillow, and your
> > favorite newspaper
> unfolded
> > to the financial page for you.
> >
> > .NET is like clearing a wooded hillside to build a vacation cottage.
> > But first you have to learn how to operate a bulldozer to clear the
> > woods.
> Then
> > you have to figure out for yourself the most efficient use of block
> > and tackle to haul the trees out of the way. Oh, did I mention that
> > you have
> to
> > build a road to the site first? Then you need to stack the logs onto
> > a
> truck
> > and drive it yourself to the sawmill so that you can saw the logs
> > into boards to use to build your house. You might want to learn how
> > to smelt metal so that you can make your own nails and hammer and
> > such...
> >
> > It ain't quite that bad but I've never had to buy so many reference
> > books and have them open at the same time.
> >
> > Anybody else with a less florid description of .NET development?
> >
> > Steve Erbach
> > Neenah, WI
> >
> >
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