Drew Wutka
dbatech at wolfwares.com
Thu Nov 18 16:53:12 CST 2004
Sure, the internet usage would drop through the floor if HTML and web pages disappeared. People can SMS instead of email. I'm just pointing out that it was there. 'Newsgroups' were part of those days though. Newsgroups are functionally the same as email, with just a few minor changes. Admittedly it was mainly tech stuff (and probably porn...which of course is the driving force behind most technological advances... ;) ), but I wouldn't have been surprised that there were Access 'newsgroups' back then. Drew -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 3:05 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET Of course you are right, html and the www is just a part of the internet, but so too is the fact that every one of my sisters is online, as well as virtually every company in the world. The www for all intents and purposes IS the internet now. Take that away and what would you have left? My sisters would abandon the internet like rats on a sinking ship. In any event, according to the history I came up with, the internet had less that 20 thousand networks connected together around the entire world in 1990. When you dialed in to CompuServe, you were just hitting a server or a bunch of servers. In fact in the early days CompuServe had to go into many of the cities around the country and set up their own servers, get them on the internet just so that they could take the phone calls coming in the modems. Without a doubt, 95% of what you did on CompuServe never left their servers (other than email). Nowadays John Colby has (or had anyway) an IIS server serving up web pages. And there are tens if not hundreds of millions of such servers. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: http://folding.stanford.edu/ -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 3:02 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET Actually JC, those slow connections, and BBS like environments are the true Internet. I think you are confusing the Internet with the World Wide Web. I believe the 'birth' of the WWW came much later then the Internet, with the dawn of HTML. Before then, the Internet didn't really have a 'face', it was just text. Compuserve was mainly text, though, if I remember right, it had some sort of ANSI interface, a lot like many BBSes of the time. Prodigy, on the other hand, was far more like AOL. It had it's own 'browser' or 'interface', which it could put graphics into, etc. When HTML came about, it revolutionized how data was displayed. I really think that is the distinction. Drew -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John W. Colby Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 12:12 PM To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET I'm trying to peer through the fog of advancing age to the days of yore... I remember using CompuServe back in the olden days but it really just looked like a huge BBS system to me. File storage and some email / news group thingies. Paying for long distance charges to hit the nearest access point, then painfully downloading files at 9600 baud (300 and 1200 on my first modems). If you want to call that the internet, then fine. I've had a modem in (or on) every machine I have owned since 1981 or thereabouts, and I know full well that "the internet" existed back in the day but whatever existed in 1990 in no way, shape or form equates to what we call the internet today. My grama would say "of course we had cars back in 1902, we had one". Yea right! Yes, they existed, it had an engine and four wheels but a 10 year old child from today would mostly look at and ask what it was. So "yea right", you were on the internet in 1990. On to more important things... >that being said, any machine that does not have the .net runtime and >then IS loaded w/ it, you'll notice a significant performance drop on the pc. I have never noticed this, though I haven't really looked for it either. Why would that be true? It is my understanding that the .net framework is not used at all unless some application calls it. Is something built into Windows calling it? If so how does it function without it there to begin with? John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: http://folding.stanford.edu/ -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Francisco Tapia Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 12:43 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET ROTFL > I really got into Access "full time" in 1994 and there was no > internet. Of course there was an internet... in 1991 I WAS using the internet, but granted, there was not nearly the amount of "resources" that there is now a days. on the same token I love programming in Access, but I also have had a small chance to begin using .Net, .Net is slow, you MUST load the .net runtimes on your machine or destination machines that do not have your version of .net (remember that hassel back in the days w/ VB apps, making sure you had the right runtime?) It continues w/ .NET XP is deployed w/ .Net 1, but w/ .Net 2003, ie 1.1 you must Upgrade the target machines if they are going to run effeciently. Windows 2000 does not have the .net runtimes by default, so you must remember to include the 40mb runtime in your distribution. that being said, any machine that does not have the .net runtime and then IS loaded w/ it, you'll notice a significant performance drop on the pc. things that took a fraction of a second to load, now take a second or two while the screen re-draws... etc, etc, etc. the problem w/ Access applications is that you MUST deploy the 40mb+ runtime along with your application if your customer is not already running access. Access tends to be a network pig, if you running a networked FE/BE deployment. _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-Tech mailing list dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com