Arthur Fuller
artful at rogers.com
Thu Nov 18 17:48:18 CST 2004
Like Shamil, I got into the net in about 1994; might have been even earlier. I used to run a BBS (since 1988) then discovered the net and ported all my tech support to that platform. It was still text mode back then -- and I wish someone would write a modern browser that did only text mode! F**k the ads and the graphics and all the other visual candy! I just want data. A. John W. Colby wrote: >I don't have a clue where you got into that net. At a university? I worked >at many companies and NOBODY had any access to "the internet", nobody I >talked to knew anything about it, never mentioned it etc. There were no >ISPs that I am aware of. I have just done a scan for history of the >internet and find that the term itself was codified in 1995, at which time >there were roughly 50,000 networks on the internet; in 1993 only about >19,000 networks attached. > >I am quite well aware that the foundation existed clear back in the 60s and >70s, but my point was that today you can jump on the internet and "google" >any subject you want and end up with thousands of hits. In 1994 you somehow >had access to a MS Access newsgroup. Having access to a newsgroup and >having access to billions of pages of information on any subject you care to >read about are two very different things. > >Kinda like comparing an office building to a group of women sitting round >the campfire in front of the cave. > >John W. Colby >www.ColbyConsulting.com > >Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: >http://folding.stanford.edu/ > >-----Original Message----- >From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil >Salakhetdinov >Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 6:39 AM >To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET > > >No, John :) > >The newsgroup was very active and these were very interesting times when >everybody were equally unaware what MS Access is and to find a new >application of a feature or how to better process a certain event was really >helpful for quite some participants of this newsgroup... ...when I've first >got ADH for MS Access 2.0 in 1995 I didn't find something really new to read >from it... > >Shamil > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> >To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" ><dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com> >Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 3:24 AM >Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET > > > > >>Shamil, >> >>That's about like saying the caveman had office buildings because the >> >> >women > > >>sat around a campfire in front of the cave. >> >>John W. Colby >>www.ColbyConsulting.com >> >>Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: >>http://folding.stanford.edu/ >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil >>Salakhetdinov >>Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 5:07 PM >>To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >>Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET >> >> >><<< >>in 1994 and there was no internet. >> >> >>John, >> >>It was Internet that time! >>AFAIKR I did participate in usenet MS Access newgroup starting May or >>July 1994 :) ... >> >>Shamil >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> >>To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" >><dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com> >>Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 12:31 AM >>Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET >> >> >> >> >>>ROTFL. >>> >>>I have to believe though that you have forgotten your early days >>>learning Access, when all the millions of properties and events were >>>so much Greek, and you had no idea what an object model was, never >>>mind how to find it or how to interpret it. >>> >>>I distinctly remember moving from procedural "start at the top (or >>>with Turbo Pascal - the bottom) and start executing" code to Event >>>driven "how can you ever know where the code is going to execute >>>next". I really got into Access "full time" in 1994 and there was >>>no internet. There was no Access Users Group, in fact I was on the >>>BOD of the San Diego Users Group sitting in on that first meeting >>>singing "halleluiah" that I would finally have someone to talk to >>>about Access. Once a month users group meetings. There were very >>>few books, and the ADH was waaaaay over my head. >>> >>>Yea sure, now that I have spent 10 years learning it, Access is >>>indeed "chocolates on the pillow". >>> >>>John W. Colby >>>www.ColbyConsulting.com >>> >>>Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: >>>http://folding.stanford.edu/ >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >>>[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steven >>>W. >>> >>> >>Erbach >> >> >>>Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 12:06 PM >>>To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues >>>Subject: [dba-Tech] Access vs. .NET >>> >>> >>>Dear Group, >>> >>>For what it's worth, I've come up with a suitable metaphor to >>>describe the difference between writing an application in Microsoft >>>Access and writing that same application using .NET technologies. >>> >>>Microsoft Access is like living in a luxury hotel with hot and cold >>> >>> >>running >> >> >>>chamber maids, laundry service, shoe shining service, room service, >>>beds made every day, carpet vacuumed every day, fresh flowers every >>>day, fresh linen, those nifty little soaps and bottles of shampoo, >>>Magic Fingers massage bed, chocolates on the pillow, and your >>>favorite newspaper >>> >>> >>unfolded >> >> >>>to the financial page for you. >>> >>>.NET is like clearing a wooded hillside to build a vacation cottage. >>>But first you have to learn how to operate a bulldozer to clear the >>>woods. >>> >>> >>Then >> >> >>>you have to figure out for yourself the most efficient use of block >>>and tackle to haul the trees out of the way. Oh, did I mention that >>>you have >>> >>> >>to >> >> >>>build a road to the site first? Then you need to stack the logs onto >>>a >>> >>> >>truck >> >> >>>and drive it yourself to the sawmill so that you can saw the logs >>>into boards to use to build your house. You might want to learn how >>>to smelt metal so that you can make your own nails and hammer and >>>such... >>> >>>It ain't quite that bad but I've never had to buy so many reference >>>books and have them open at the same time. >>> >>>Anybody else with a less florid description of .NET development? >>> >>>Steve Erbach >>>Neenah, WI >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>dba-Tech mailing list >>>dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>dba-Tech mailing list >>>dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>dba-Tech mailing list >>dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>dba-Tech mailing list >>dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > >_______________________________________________ >dba-Tech mailing list >dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > >