John Bartow
john at winhaven.net
Mon Oct 25 15:51:03 CDT 2004
Latest batch of Athlons needs a 450 to be safe. -----Original Message----- From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of jmoss111 at bellsouth.net Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 12:37 PM To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues Subject: RE: RE: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation I thought I had read that AMD was specifying 300 watt power supplies minimum for any Athlon system but I could be wrong. > > From: "Mitsules, Mark S. \(Newport News\)" <Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com> > Date: 2004/10/25 Mon PM 01:16:21 EDT > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com> > Subject: RE: RE: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation > > I'm glad you made me do the calculations...I hadn't gone that far. My > current video card lists 300W for the minimum power supply requirements:( > ...yet I couldn't locate the actual rated wattage (probably far less than > 300W). The rest of the info is below. The optical drive is negligible > because it won't be in use when the rest of the system is maxed out...for > that matter the hard drive shouldn't be thrashing either (I hope). > > AMD 3000 > 89W : Max > 66W : Intermediate > 35W : Min > > > Western Digital Raptor 740GD > 8.4W : Read/Write > > > But, the bottom line is that I might be pushing the limits, especially if > components were upgraded...I wonder what a Shuttle rep would suggest? > > > Mark > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: jmoss111 at bellsouth.net [mailto:jmoss111 at bellsouth.net] > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 12:11 PM > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > Subject: RE: RE: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation > > > I would still do the calculations to make sure that you don't run out of > power. You are talking about a 939, a 10,000 rpm hard drive (has to use more > watts than a 7200 rpm drive), plus the other goodies. I haven't looked at > the power requirements of 939, but would imagine that you are looking at > 100+ watts just for the CPU. > > The Shuttle unit looks good, and I would be interested in how that works out > for you. I might want to use that box in a very similar configuration. > > > > From: "Mitsules, Mark S. \(Newport News\)" <Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com> > > Date: 2004/10/25 Mon AM 10:46:54 EDT > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com> > > Subject: RE: RE: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation > > > > Thanks for the feedback. In the past, I would have agreed, but this > model, > > in particular, hopefully addresses both of those issues. They use an > > integrated liquid-cooling block to keep down on the noise, and 32db, 240 > > watt power supply. With only a video card, 1 optical drive, and 1 hard > > drive, the 240 Watt power supply should be more than sufficient. > > http://us.shuttle.com/SN95G5.asp > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: jmoss111 at bellsouth.net [mailto:jmoss111 at bellsouth.net] > > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 10:05 AM > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > Subject: Re: RE: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation > > > > > > I would be leery about the power requirements for you system spec on a > small > > footprint system. Most small form factor systems have a relatively small > > power supply or they did the last time that I looked at one. Also, the > fans > > in small footprint systems are rather noisy. > > > > > > From: "Mitsules, Mark S. \(Newport News\)" <Mark.Mitsules at ngc.com> > > > Date: 2004/10/25 Mon AM 08:30:50 EDT > > > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" > > > <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com> > > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation > > > > > > Speaking of cases...does anyone have any experience with the small form > > > factor cases...specifically, Shuttle? I've grown weary over the past > few > > > years of having this huge tower on my desk. Space isn't the issue, my > > desk > > > is huge, I'm just looking at clean-looking alternatives. Here is my > > current > > > (achievable) wish-list. The processor is the least expensive option > > > available in that performance line, giving me plenty of room for future > > > upgrades. I should mention that this would be primarily a gaming > machine, > > > hence the small, screamingly fast hard drive. Any comments? > > > > > > > > > $319 Shuttle XPC Black Barebone System > > > for Socket 939 AMD Athlon 64 CPU, > > > Model SN95G5, nVidia nForce 3. > > > > > > $179 AMD 3000 90nm 939pin > > > > > > $170 1GB PC-4200 DDR533 RAM > > > > > > $180 Western Digital Raptor 740GD > > > 74GB SATA 10K rpm 8MB Hard Drive > > > ____ > > > $848 Total > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Steven W. Erbach [mailto:serbach at new.rr.com] > > > Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2004 8:29 AM > > > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues > > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation > > > > > > > > > John, > > > > > > I bought a bunch of stuff from NewEgg recently to build a new machine > and > > > upgrade an existing one. I've been buying pairs of drives for the past > > > several years to allow for a Ghosted backup. A pair of 160 GB drives > from > > > NewEgg was $192. > > > > > > One caveat: if there's something flaky with your motherboard you've got > to > > > do the RMA yourself. I bought a Gigabyte board for my wife's > workstation. > > > Everything works fine EXCEPT that when the machine is started cold it > > > doesn't recognize the 2nd hard disk. My wife is now used to going into > > Setup > > > and having the motherboard detect the 2nd drive automagically. I didn't > > want > > > to hassle with sending the board back to Gigabyte -- NewEgg doesn't do > any > > > product support; thus their low prices. > > > > > > It might be the drive; but all I'm saying is that if you assemble these > > > things yourself then you don't have the luxury of pulling another > > > motherboard or hard disk off the shelf to replace a bad one. > > > > > > Steve > > > > > > P.S., Steer clear of Enermax cases. > > > > > > > ------------Original Message------------ > > > > From: "John W. Colby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> > > > > To: "'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'" > > > <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com> > > > > Date: Tue, Oct-19-2004 6:07 PM > > > > Subject: RE: [dba-Tech] Desktop recommendation > > > > > > > > Building is always a good idea. You might not be able to put a new mb > > > > > in > > > > that chassis (HP used to design their stuff to prevent that) but if > you > > > > buy > > > > an inexpensive case you can use the drives and stuff from the old > > > > machine in > > > > your new machine. You already have a monitor / keyboard. The new > > > > motherboards have almost everything else. You can even find > > > > motherboards > > > > with a video chip on the mb. 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