Jim Lawrence
accessd at shaw.ca
Thu Jun 25 21:10:50 CDT 2009
If you do get a 64 bit then the apps that can take advance of that
architecture and the ones that will not work can go into a 32 bit
Hyper-Virtual server/PC... no problem. I think 32bit are systems of the past
and in 5 years 32bit applications will have to be virtualized to run on any
system sold.
But programs that are 64 in design really scream as they have quad
processors. You can only get 4GB of RAM in a 32bit board but a whooping
128GB of RAM on a 64 bit board.
Games, graphics, movies or any development of database work are through the
roof, in comparison. The performance of a 32bit board is about a 10th of the
performance of a 64bit.
I have a Tosiba laptop 64bit, 2GB RAM but I only run a 32bit version of XP
(64bit XP was flaky for some reason) and it works just fine. On another
partition I have a 64bit version of Oracle Unbreakable (Redhat) Linux
running and it also works just fine.
Jim
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[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 2:59 PM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment
This...
http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/system/platform/server/PAE/PAEmem.mspx
seems to indicate that there is no point in getting more than 3Gb memory
unless I mover to 64 bit architecture which I wont do cos most apps run
under 32 bit.
Max
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[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda
Sent: 25 June 2009 22:47
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Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment
No, the shop. www.scan.co.uk They're in Bolton, but don't hold that against
them :-)
I have an Asus mobo, and wouldn't swap it for the world!
Jon
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[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: 25 June 2009 22:39
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Is SCAN the motherboard type?
Max
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[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tydda
Sent: 25 June 2009 22:34
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I'm with John here, I build my own systems for fun (and frustration), and
because I know that I'll be able to upgrade the cpu or ram at a later date
if needs be without having to change the motherboard.
I recommend Scan, been using them for years and years, and their service is
very very good.
£1500 will buy you an awful lot of grunt these days, and if you don't need a
massively flashy graphics card, then that's even more grunt. The biggest cpu
(without looking) is usually around £600 on Scan - I'm running a Core 2 Quad
2.66 with 4gb of ram, and an nVidia 260gts with 896mb ram on it, and it
bloody flies. There's no lag unless I'm playing a very graphics
intensive/memory hungry/badly written game (like Empire Total War). I have
other far prettier games that are so smooooth (Dawn of War 2).
Hope that's some help
Jon
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[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DJK(John)
Robinson
Sent: 25 June 2009 21:47
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Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment
Hi Max
Well - - - as much memory as possible and as fast a processor as possible is
a licence to spend a *LOT* of money, so maybe you want to back off from the
Maserati a bit?!
Firstly, do you NEED more than 3GB of RAM? If so, you're going to have to
go to a 64-bit OS, with all that entails - which I won't go into here. If
not, fine.
The i7 920 processor in your "appealing" system is a re-architected
('Nehalem') version of my Q9450, which has plenty of grunt for mundane work,
and a lot more besides. But the motherboard in that system is rather
predictable, since it is the *only* i7 board your putative supplier has to
offer!
*IF* the facilities of that board exactly match your requirements, then ok,
but you can get it more cheaply elsewhere (since you also want to save
money): £162 from your guy, or £143+delivery from Scan (who also offer
installation damage insurance), or £145 from ebuyer with free delivery.
And if you don't need the ICH10R RAID system that board comes with, for
instance, then you could go for a cheaper model. Not necessarily a cheap
*brand*: a reliable one like Asus but with more suitable capability. And do
you need CrossFire support? And Firewire? On the other hand is the
system's HD4870 graphics good enough for you?
Without going any further with this, I hope you get the idea.
I build my own systems (and some others) only because nobody would build to
my requirements, but that's another story. Typically I spend up to two
weeks researching and sourcing components, and then one fun day receiving
and opening boxes and putting everything together. I use loads of
suppliers, but never buy anything significant locally, due to price and
(especially) lack of choice.
Oh, and motherboards don't come with PSUs. Your existing PSU *may* be ok,
but it has to have the right spec/connectors for a modern motherboard.
If you don't want to get into the researchy thing, then buy off the shelf!
HTH
John
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[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: 25 June 2009 19:15
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Hi Rocky,
No, I won't enjoy it - that is work...
I was trying to maximise the money I had to spend on the really useful bits
by making use of an existing box with all the boring bits.
This sounds really appealing..
http://www.web-systems.co.uk/?page=Products&pid=4701
Max
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[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: 25 June 2009 19:07
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Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment
Why build? Wouldn't buying a high end like a Dell off the internet be
faster, cheaper, more reliable? Or is building this box something you'll
enjoy?
Rocky
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[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 10:52 AM
To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [dba-Tech] Help Wanted to Choose Equipment
Hi All,
I need some HELP please to choose some equipment. Hardware is not my
forte..
I want to buy from here http://www.web-systems.co.uk/?page=Products
They are local and I can pop along to get the stuff.
I need a compatible set of
a. Motherboard
b. Memory - full populated with as much as possible.
c. Processor - fast a possible
d. video card.
I have an existing system that I am going to cannibalise - it has an ATX
form existing motherboard and will provide case, DVD, etc.
No drives required as I have tons of them, BUT if the above system only
supports SATA then I can go for that too and use my others as USB external
drives.
I am assuming that the motherboard will come with a suitable PSU.
Many thanks
Max
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