[dba-Tech] DeltaCopy Was Once and for all time: server backups

Mark Breen marklbreen at gmail.com
Wed Jan 20 06:14:55 CST 2010


Hello Gustav,

Another aspect of DeltaCopy I liked was the integration with the Scheduler,
I think it is possible to use switches with SyncToy but I did not get the
working, did you?

thanks

Mark



2010/1/16 Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk>

> Hi Mark
>
> Yes, SyncToy is not fast but it seems very reliable.
> The folder file it creates is to uniqely identify each folder to allow you
> to rename them without fooling SyncToy. Most other tools - including rsync I
> guess - will either be fooled or start copying any file in these folders as
> new files.
>
> /gustav
>
> >>> marklbreen at gmail.com 16-01-2010 20:32 >>>
> Hello Gustav,
>
> I am reading your email and smiling.
>
> I also used synctoy, and as usual with MS, the GUI is nicer, friendly and
> appears easier to use.  However, as you say, it does not offer the email
> notification that DeltaCopy uses.  A much bigger PITA however, is that
> SyncToy seems to create a file in every folder that it backs up, this
> really
> bugs me, expecially because it is slow anyway, no faster than DeltaCopy
> without the extra clutter.  Again, this comparison is typical of MS, I
> guess.
>
> I never new about the hidden / system files, thanks for letting me know
> about that.
>
> I am sorry, I have no suggestions how to get 1.7 set up.  If I get a chance
> to play with it on a VM, I will report back.
>
> Good luck with it,
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> 2010/1/16 Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk>
>
> > Hi Mark
> >
> > I use some remote (network) drives to be backed up. But network drive
> > letters in Windows are not seem by Cygwin. Thus, these must be mounted
> the
> > Linux way. This could be specified in version 1.5 with some fancy
> Registry
> > entries, but this has changed completely as described in version 1.7.
> > It is probably very simple to set up - if you just know how.
> >
> > A way around this is to specify the UNC path in the DC config file, like
> > \\192.168.1.200\SomeFolder. You cannot write it directly via the GUI,
> > neither will DC let you browse to those locations.
> >
> > Another limitation I've found is that rsync won't copy hidden and system
> > files. That you could live with (if you are not using MS OneNote) but
> when
> > such files are met, rsync raises an error and your session is reported as
> in
> > error and will be repeated if you have set up DC to try multiple times in
> > case of error.
> >
> > Now, SyncToy could be used instead for remote to local copy, but it
> doesn't
> > support notifications - thus no e-mail reporting about the status of the
> > backup.
> > Why can one util do it all?
> >
> > /gustav
> >
> >
> > >>> marklbreen at gmail.com 16-01-2010 13:08 >>>
> > Hello Gustav,
> >
> > First of all thank you for your feedback on Cygwin 1.7, I did read about
> it
> > and remarked to myself about the long  file names being a silly
> limitation
> > in DeltaCopy.
> >
> > As I do not see any international characters here, I did not bother with
> > Cygwin 1.7, so I have no experience of it.
> >
> > >But how do you mount drives with Cygwin 1.7?
> > What I did not understand from your email was what you are trying to do.
> >  Are you using DeltaCopy Server and DeltaCopy Client?  Or are you not
> using
> > the DeltaCopy UI at all?
> >
> >
> > When I use DeltaCopy Server, I configure a "server", which acts like a
> Share
> > really.
> >
> > One last thing, I noticed a few days ago a slight bug in the Client
> software
> > in that when I browse for the servers, it was not picking up the Server
> name
> > correctly, IOW, I have a Server named "Pics from the Canon", but the
> client
> > could only see "Pics", yet that did not work, but when I pasted in the
> > Server name of "Pics from the Canon" it all seemed OK.
> >
> > Let me know if I can help more,
> >
> > thanks
> >
> > Mark
> >
> >
> >
> > 2010/1/15 Gustav Brock <Gustav at cactus.dk>
> >
> > > Hi all (Linux gurus included!)
> > >
> > > DeltaCopy and Cyqwin 1.7: Long directory paths and file names with
> > > international characters!
> > >
> > > Copy these file from the Cygwin 1.7 distribution (folder bin) to the
> > > DeltaCopy folder:
> > >
> > > chmod.exe
> > > cygcrypto-0.9.8.dll
> > > cyggcc_s-1.dll
> > > cygiconv-2.dll
> > > cygintl-8.dll
> > > cygpopt-0.dll
> > > cygwin1.dll
> > > cygz.dll
> > > rsync.exe
> > > ssh.exe
> > >
> > > and DeltaCopy will support long directory paths and file names with
> > > international characters.
> > >
> > > But how do you mount drives with Cygwin 1.7?
> > > Now you specify mounts in the file fstab in folder etc (_not_ in the
> > > Registry as previously).
> > > It is explained here in detail:
> > >
> > > http://cygwin.com/cygwin-ug-net/using.html#mount-table
> > >
> > > but I can't get it to work. I've created a the folder etc as a
> subfolder to
> > > the DeltaCopy folder.
> > > I've also tested with the windows\system32\drivers\etc folder but
> negative.
> > >
> > > The setting used is like this where BackupOne is the share name of a
> shared
> > > folder on the remote machine:
> > >
> > > //192.168.10.210/BackupOne /backupshare smbfs binary,noacl 0 0
> > >
> > > Any ideas?
> > >
> > > /gustav
> > >
> > >
> > > >>> marklbreen at gmail.com 14-01-2010 10:53 >>>
> > > Hello Steve,
> > >
> > > Sorry, I did not make one point clear.
> > >
> > > machineB, as I called it can be any machine capable of storing a
> terabyte
> > > drive, or better again, two 1 TB drives in Raid 10 configuration.
> > >
> > > so 50 dollars for a cheap raid 10 card
> > > 200 dollars for 2 x 1TB drives
> > >
> > > install them in any old PC, does not have to be server even, and
> vollia,
> > >  you have hot backups using DeltaCopy (Check it out it is really good).
> > >
> > > it is cheap, but gives you full hot onsite backups and costs, less than
> 300
> > > usd.
> > >
> > > If you install hamachi and put another PC off site somewhere, you can
> keep
> > > the 2nd set of hot backups off site.
> > >
> > > A tip:  If you do the off site solution, first mirror the machines on
> site,
> > > then your off site sync process will only deal with the differences on
> a
> > > daily basis.
> > >
> > > BTW, I agree with all you say about backups and security - black art.
> > >
> > > Mark
> > >
> > > 2010/1/13 Steve Erbach <erbachs at gmail.com>
> > >
> > > > Mark,
> > > >
> > > > >> I saw there are already a lot of responses to this thread <<
> > > >
> > > > ...but there don't seem to be any clear-cut answers.  Backup is as
> much a
> > > > black art as security, methinks.
> > > >
> > > > That "hot" backup idea is good.  I'll chat with Janet about it.  Only
> she
> > > > will be able to tell whether the boss is willing to spring for a
> second HP
> > > > server.
> > > >
> > > > >> Sure I would have to map the printers again, and we might have no
> domain
> > > > controller for few days, but once everyone has access to machine B,
> you are
> > > > good to go. <<
> > > >
> > > > That is one of the things that simply astounds me regarding backup
> > > > "philosophies": isn't it better all around if the backup system has
> got all
> > > > of those things ready to go?  I mean, with an image backup of the
> server to
> > > > a drive in a docking station, you don't have to worry about
> conflicting
> > > > domain controllers or what have you; but all that's needed is for the
> backup
> > > > drive to be designated as the boot drive on the server and, mirabile
> dictu!
> > > >  The server is back up with ALL the domain controller and email and
> printer
> > > > definitions, etc.  What is so frickin' magical about servers that
> that type
> > > > of backup can't be done?  Sorry, not yelling at you...I simply am
> shaking my
> > > > head over this simple setup and the apparent impossibility of the
> backup
> > > > task as stated.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for your input, Mark.
> > > >
> > > > Steve Erbach
> > > > Neenah, WI
>
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