Mark Breen
marklbreen at gmail.com
Sat May 22 07:29:04 CDT 2010
While I found it disheartening when it was said to me six years ago, I suppose I have to accept it as one answer to this question I asked someone why most software was poor, and he answered "good enough is good enough" Does that answer the question about Windows Vs the Shuttle software? I have to say again, I find it upsetting but it may be true. Mark On 22 May 2010 03:02, rockysmolin at bchacc.com <rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote: > "If the cost of > developing Windows tripled the cost to the consumer would be marginal > almost > to the point of imperceptible. " > > But not to MS. Plus the extra time it would take to perfect windowes > represents a signifncant opportunity cost. > > > "support of MS products and fixing Windows errors is a major business > and just another revenue stream " > > Which means no incentive to perfect. Why spend big bucks to perfect > Windows with he loss of time and revenue, and then give up the support > costs. > > Finally, comparing a narrow well-defined application like the shuttle > systems, it may not be fair to compare it to a general purpose system like > Windows. How many third party downloads are they doing up there which > might smoke out incompatibilities with their system. > > Rocky > > > Original Message: > ----------------- > From: Jim Lawrence accessd at shaw.ca > Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 09:21:40 -0700 > To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Now why is not Windows written to this standard? > " cost to the consumer would be marginal almost > to the point of imperceptible." Not to MS. Plus there's the TIME it would > take to perfect - there's a big opportunity > > I agree with much of what you say but there be more to it than that. > > First, unlike the shuttle craft software that runs on but a few systems, > just Windows7 alone runs on 90,000,000 million computers... If the cost of > developing Windows tripled the cost to the consumer would be marginal > almost > to the point of imperceptible. > > Second, support of MS products and fixing Windows errors is a major > business > and just another revenue stream and as long as the public will tolerate it, > why change things. > > Third, being a buggy desktop, Windows (80 plus percent estimated on the > desktop) may be tolerable, where a simple reboot can solve most problems > but > when it comes to servers MS has been doing itself no flavours. There is a > reason why Microsoft has been unable to make major in roads with servers. > (In 30 years it owns less than 7 percent, of that market, according to a > 2009 survey). The reliability or perceived reliability just is not there. > Servers, like the space shuttle, are mission critical. > > The question of course is; can a reliable desktop type product be made? > OpenBSD a flavour of Linux/Unix brags that they have had fewer than a dozen > real bugs in about 15-20 years... BSD is now used as the core to the new > Macs. Ubuntu/Debian Linux product states it has less than 10 percent the > amount of bugs that MS does and fixes them in a quarter of the time. All of > this is of course part fact and part fiction as Microsoft counters with it > own nearly unbelievable statistics. > > Jim > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > rockysmolin at bchacc.com > Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 8:14 AM > To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Now why is not Windows written to this standard? > > Well there's an obvious answer to your question - I think. The cost of an > error in the space shuttle is death. The testing has to be perfect. The > cost of errors in Windows is lost hair, mostly. It's not a mission > critical application (for users who do their disk images and/or backups > regularly). > > The 80/20 rule says you're going to spend a huge amount of money uncovering > those last few bugs. Microsoft COULD make Windows error free but it wold > probably cost $3,000 a copy in stead of $300. You've worked with > government contracts enough to know the routine. > > ROcky > > > Original Message: > ----------------- > From: Jim Lawrence accessd at shaw.ca > Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 19:07:21 -0700 > To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: [dba-Tech] Now why is not Windows written to this standard? > > > I received this link and it made me ask the question...Why can not Windows > be written with the same confidence? Does Windows and virtually all other > software for that matter have to have thousands of errors? Is it because > thousands of jobs depend on those errors? > > if MS could even come close to matching a near perfect Desktop, would they > have any concerns from competition? Is there not checking software that if > given time and the right testing scenarios can virtually uncover any bug? > But what do I know? > > http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/06/writestuff.html?page=0,0 > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web LIVE - Free email based on MicrosoftR Exchange technology - > http://link.mail2web.com/LIVE > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web LIVE – Free email based on Microsoft® Exchange technology - > http://link.mail2web.com/LIVE > > > > _______________________________________________ > dba-Tech mailing list > dba-Tech at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-tech > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >