[dba-Tech] New router network puzzle

Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com
Tue Apr 19 11:35:36 CDT 2011


I think the idea with turning off the broadcasting is that it provides
some little bit of additional security since a computer needs to know
what the SSID is before it can join up and so if you are sitting there
broadcasting it you are telling everyone what it is instead of waiting
for them to use the right SSID to connect to you. I know I have it
turned off on my own router. But my network is way simpler than what
you have. Only one router plus one eight port gigabit switch. All the
wired connection computers are plugged into the switch so they can
talk at full speed. The switch is plugged into the router which is
doing all the magic of keeping in proper order.

Good luck getting it back to working exactly the way you want it.
Perseverance will pay off eventually.

GK

On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 11:11 AM, Tina Norris Fields
<tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote:
> Hello Gary,
> Now that's a thought.  I recognize the truth of what you say, that
> broadcasting can be turned on and off.  I do not have any experience in
> doing so.  I will look into the details in my router 2 - the one in my
> office, and easiest for me to investigate.  Thank you for that thought.
> I have the fond hope that I will soon know what I am doing with these
> network issues.  So much to know, so little spare time to learn it all in!!!
> T
>
> Gary Kjos wrote:
>>
>> What happens if you turn off the other two routers. Perhaps then it
>> would let you assign the SSID you want in router 0 ?  Secondly, there
>> is a feature/setting in some routers that turns on or off SSID
>> broadcasting. Perhaps if that were able to be turned off in the other
>> two routers?
>>
>> I'd try to turn off the other two and then set the SSID in the new one
>> and then turn the other two back on and cross your fingers.
>>
>> GK
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 9:48 AM, Tina Norris Fields
>> <tinanfields at torchlake.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hello Jim,
>>>
>>> Yes, everything is working, in terms of access to the internet.  Thank
>>> you
>>> for continuing the lesson in networking.  Your explanation has given me
>>> another AHA! moment.
>>> So, each router as now configured is, indeed, part of a separate grouping
>>> -
>>> and I see how the IP addressing works to group them.  Thanks.
>>>
>>> When my home-office configuration was established by the tech from my
>>> ISP,
>>> in addition to the IP addresses, each router was made part of the same
>>> SSID.
>>>  The new router 0 does not want to accept the SSID name from the existing
>>> "network."  So, if my laptop is in the range of that new router - which
>>> at
>>> this point has an SSID name of NETGEAR - it cannot print on my HP 6500
>>> wireless printer, because at that point the laptop and the printer are on
>>> different networks.  If I could persuade the new router to accept being
>>> part
>>> of the SSID that the other two routers are in, then that issue would
>>> disappear.
>>>
>>> For virtually all the other computers, there no longer is an issue.  They
>>> do
>>> not move around and they will not ever be grabbing the NETGEAR SSID.
>>>  But, I
>>> move about with my laptop computer, and for my computer, this is an
>>> issue.
>>>
>>> This question does occur to me:  would it make sense to configure the
>>> routers 1 and 2 with new IP addresses that are part of the router 0
>>> grouping?  If I did that, and presumably released and renewed IP
>>> addresses
>>> for all the components that connect to those routers, would the entire
>>> SSID
>>> then become NETGEAR?  Would I then be able to change the SSID name back
>>> to
>>> my chosen one?  I would really like to have everyone in the same SSID.
>>>
>>> Thank you very much for the setup details for routers 1 and 2.  They look
>>> to
>>> be what I recall, though I will double check.
>>>
>>> Truly, I appreciate what you are teaching me.  I have needed to learn
>>> this
>>> stuff for a while, now, and I've not made the time to do so.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> T
>>> P.S. I'm updating my "to do" list to include posting pictures of last
>>> winter
>>> - although spring doesn't quite appear to have arrived, yet!!! :-)
>>>
>>> Jim Lawrence wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Can I assume everything is working as it should?
>>>> First of all, the way the ports for each router is setup states that
>>>> each
>>>> is
>>>> on a different segment or workgroup.
>>>>
>>>> Given: router0 is 192.168.1.1 and router1 is 192.168.3.1 etc., each is
>>>> basically an unrelated network. To be inter-related, their number
>>>> sequence
>>>> would be something like 192.168.1.1, 192.168.1.2, 192.168.1.3,...
>>>>  If not the only other possible blockage is ports. Most routers come
>>>> with
>>>> all
>>>> ports blocked but for port 80 and sometime port 25. On the new router
>>>> make
>>>> sure at least port 80 is open and only open other ports as necessary.
>>>> Make sure the gateway address to your ISP is setup on you new router0 as
>>>> it
>>>> is the main pass-through firewall. In your Router0 make sure your
>>>> virtual
>>>> servers (in this case routers) are setup correctly
>>>>
>>>> "Router1": application name, Public port: 80, Protocol: TCP, Schedule:
>>>> always, IP Address: 192.168.2.1 (or 192.169.1.2) computer name, Private
>>>> port: 80, Protocol: 6, Inbound Filter: allow all.
>>>>
>>>> "Router2": application name, Public port: 80, Protocol: TCP, Schedule:
>>>> always, IP Address: 192.168.3.1 (or 192.169.1.3) computer name, Private
>>>> port: 80, Protocol: 6, Inbound Filter: allow all.
>>>>
>>>> ...and so on. There would have to be other ports open if there is a
>>>> gamer
>>>> in
>>>> the family or you are using RDP, Oracle, MS SQL, remote networking etc.
>>>>
>>>> If you are still having issues send me some pictures from your Router0
>>>> base
>>>> setup page and the configuration of your virtual page, where all you
>>>> other
>>>> routers have to be managed as if they are computers.
>>>>
>>>> HTH
>>>> Jim
>>>>
>>>> PS Please do send those pictures when you get a chance.
>>>>
>>>>
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