[dba-Tech] So long, Norman

Jim Lawrence accessd at shaw.ca
Mon Jun 4 10:59:44 CDT 2012


Hans:

Problems with Windows are not as dependant on the OS as its environment. If
you have a well built piece of hardware, 90 percent of your problems are
gone. PC and Desktops have always been a problem; I just have not figured
out how to take the users out of the equation.

In a work environment, windows has been very stable. That is because the
users ability to add, change and delete things is limited.

It is hardly fair to compare the stability of servers to that of the desktop
PC. Servers by their nature and users, generally an expert, seem to always
just run. They never stop, need nothing but minor maintenance and can run
for years until their capacity and speed retires them.

I have many clients who have servers (small local companies usually have
Windows servers) which are 8 to 9 years old and my job is always to get
another year out of them. I personally have a very old server, at eleven
years old, runs 24 x 365 and only because many failing pieces of hardware
will it need replacing. It ran Windows server OS 2000 for a few years and
then in 2003, was replaced with a freshly minted 2003 server piece of
software which has run successfully ever since.

I have replaced hundreds of PC, especially from banks, investment houses and
insurance companies. The PC on which the user works are locked down tight,
the boxes are some of the cheapest pieces of junk that have ever graces a
desktop, but they run without incident for their years (two to three) and
when their lease expires, they are replaced and the cycle continues. The
support IT guys rarely have PC issues, other than hardware failures.     

If the OS that you use, is run in the way it was built for, there are
usually a limited number of problems. If you start trying to hack a system
this is where problems start. Install enough junk-ware on any system and it
will not be long before its crippled. 

Jim
 
-----Original Message-----
From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian
Andersen
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 1:33 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] So long, Norman

Gustav,

Where do I even begin? It is entirely possible that either you have been
blessed or I and those close to me personally and professionally have been
cursed, but I have never known a Windows system to be stable for very long.
Usually after 6 or so months it starts developing "quirks". The occasional
slowness or crash or not being able to connect to some device properly etc.
Something just feels off. Then, after that, it's just a question of eventual
disintegration. There are no obvious hints as to what the problem is. Your
anti-virus software manages to find some ugly tracking cookies, but nothing
beyond that. Your hard drive seems fine and SMART doesn't flag anything.
Your system is all up-to-date and you aren't running out of disk space and
memory seems fine. After a while, sleeping/hibernating your computer returns
it to a very slow system where Windows just seems to frequently stare off to
space occasionally for no reason and your USB device (i.e. mouse or whatnot)
refuses!
  to connect. No applications are running and so you shrug your shoulders
and figure a clean reboot is the best option. This is often the best
solution, returning your system to its normal speed and state, but for how
long?

Granted, if you only install a minimum amount of applications and do not
surf the web, you can probably keep Windows pretty stable, but you would not
be the ordinary Windows user then. Most users will be installing many things
over time: applications, games, etc and all the DLLs & other dependencies
that come along with that. Windows is a fickle beast to such users. It works
well for a while, but just the slightest thing will push it over the
critical edge and you never know what that might be.

If this does not ring familiar to you, then I don't know what to say. This
has been my experience personally and through people who needed technical
help with Windows, including managing a corporate Windows network and
terminal services on Windows Server 2008. The smartest thing you can do is
take a snapshot of your newly installed system with something like
DriveImage XML, making sure to keep your data on a separate partition from
your system partition, and restore your system ever so often. I'm not saying
this as a newcomer to Windows. I've been a PC users since the days of DOS,
but personally decided to jump ship before Vista came out. Saying that, I've
still been managing Windows machines since, so I am familiar enough with
Vista and 7.

Speaking of terminal services, I've currently got a system with 25-30 or so
connected users, which has a WINSXS folder filling up like crazy with
multiple copies of the same darned DLL files over and over again to the
point where it fills up 15 gigabytes. This server is static in the sense
that no new software has been installed in over a year or two, yet this
directory keeps growing all the time for whatever brilliant reason. My guess
is that Windows Server just keeps on thinking that its probably best to play
safe and duplicate DLLs every single time the same application (office,
firefox and IE) is launched (remind me again what a DLL is for? <sarcasm>).

Does anyone if it is safe to simply wipe this directory? And do you know why
this is happening specifically?

Hans




On 2012-06-02, at 11:52 PM, Gustav Brock wrote:

> Hi Hans
> 
> I don't get it. I've never had the need to reinstall a workstation. Except
once, where multiple local SQL Server installations completely messed up
themselves on my four year old Vista. Which learned me to not install any
SQL Server other than SQL Server Express locally.
> 
> /gustav
> 
> 
>>>> hans.andersen at phulse.com 01-06-12 19:03 >>>
> 
> Congratulations on the upgrade. :)
> 
> And just in time to dodge the incoming Windows 8 debacle as well.
> 
> I remember that feeling of liberation. It totally changed my outlook on
computers. It was back in the days of XP, when Microsoft announced that
Longhorn was going to be called Vista and they were going to cut out all the
best features that they had been touting and promising for years. I switched
over to OpenSUSE back then, but it was still early days for Ubuntu and Mint
didn't exist yet. I remember being amazed having a laptop that had new life
breathed into it. It was stable and fast and didn't need reinstalling every
6 months to a year. After being a heavy Windows user since 3.11, this was a
new experience for me. :p
> 
> By the way, don't under-estimate how powerful WINE is at being able to run
Windows applications on Linux natively. It's not perfect, but it's able to
handle quite a lot of applications rather well. So, if there is any
particular application or game that you miss from Windows and would
frequently use, give it a try.
> 
> - Hans
> 
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