[dba-Tech] So long, Norman

Hans-Christian Andersen hans.andersen at phulse.com
Mon Jun 4 22:48:44 CDT 2012


Ok, so based on what you are saying, Windows is not a good operating system to install a few games and your usual applications - basically regular home use - and should only be used as a locked down workstation.

I think I can actually agree with you in that point!

- Hans


On 2012-06-04, at 7:14 PM, "Jim Lawrence" <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi Hans:
> 
> Ask how many games I have on my system...
> 
> The battery was shot from the Git-Go and the power cable soon followed suit.
> 
> 
> That aside please note that most Techs, who support Windows PCs, sometimes
> hundreds, on a single site, do not and did not have your experience. The
> systems may not be great pieces of hardware but they do the job, for the
> mostly reliably and without issues...and Business just loves them.
> 
> Jim 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian
> Andersen
> Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 1:23 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] So long, Norman
> 
> 
> Jim,
> 
> You are wrong. I'm looking at the machine as we speak and it has only 4
> games installed:
> SimCity 4
> Diablo 2
> Civilization III
> CivCity Rome
> 
> None of these are resource demanding games, even for a machine like this.
> 
> The rest of the software installed is all the usual stuff. CuteFTP,
> OpenOffice, PDF Creator, Skype, Canon Printer Utilities, Google Picasa, all
> the Microsoft applications like MSN Messenger & Silverlight, Chrome, Firefox
> etc, and some paint / photo manipulation software.
> 
> The system specs on this machine are:
> 
> HP Pavillion DV2714CA
> 
> Intel dual core T2330 1.6ghz, 1mb L2 cache, 533mhz FSB
> 2 gigs of DDR2 ram
> 160 gb sata hd
> 
> You can read the rest here:
> http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/ca/en/ho/WF06b/12139188-78299199-78299212-782
> 99212-78299212-81135007-81575996.html?dnr=1
> 
> It has only started falling apart in the last year. The chassis frame around
> the screen is coming apart, but this is superficial. Hardware-wise it is
> still fine. It could probably be fixed and it would be as good as new.
> 
> So, the user of this system has neither been installing weird applications
> like crazy, nor is this some hacked together cheap laptop from some little
> known company.
> 
> Hans
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 2012-06-04, at 11:49 AM, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> 
>> Let's be honest, without mincing words; the hardware you are talking about
>> was a cheap unpowered piece of junk. It was physically falling apart and
> was
>> suffering from a dozen pieces of game software... Nothing frys a system
> like
>> high resource demanding game software on flaky low-end hardware.
>> 
>> My personal experiences have been quite different. I bought a good solid
>> laptop, not cheap but definitely not over priced. That laptop is six years
>> old and it has virtual every communications, web-design and software
>> building product, graphic design and manipulation software, database and
>> testing software running on it. It has been dragged to every office, in a
>> dozen towns, that I have worked in and it has been used to setup servers,
>> stations, router, switches, burn software, connect remote techs, testing
>> software, storing data and manage documents. I work on this computer 8 to
> 12
>> hours a day, almost every day. It is a little unpowered for the new age as
>> it is Tosiba Satellite, only has a dual core, has two GB of RAM and 120 GB
>> HD.  
>> 
>> It runs like it always has; solid as a rock.
>> 
>> When it comes to Windows computers you are a really a terrible tech and I
>> think it is more willful than by accident. ;-)
>> 
>> Jim
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hans-Christian
>> Andersen
>> Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 9:02 AM
>> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
>> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] So long, Norman
>> 
>> 
>> John,
>> 
>> These are mostly just observations of other people lately and my
> experience
>> supporting it at my company. I haven't been a Windows user since 2005 or
> so,
>> but it was also the reason I left Windows back then.
>> 
>> I'm not sure it is specific to gaming. As a recent example, my wife's Win7
>> laptop had very few games installed (its graphics card was the Intel GMA
>> sort, not powerful enough to run most games) and really only just a
> handful
>> of additional applications. She mostly used it for surfing, but its now
>> un-usable. No blue screening, just lots of pausing, freezing and general
>> slowness to the point of frustration for her, but there is nothing
> obviously
>> wrong with it.
>> 
>> This is probably the 4th reinstall of Windows on that laptop (HP) in the
>> last 4 or so years, but she's got a new laptop now, so I may just throw
>> Linux onto this machine to extend its life.
>> 
>> I'm not saying that every Windows machine will eventually be completely
>> crippled, but I always known them to develop quirks over time and become a
>> less stable system overall (not stability in terms of blue screening, but
> in
>> the sense that it is not behaving as expected ie. applications not
> starting,
>> freezing or crashing), often for no identifiable reason.
>> 
>> If this hasn't been an issue for you, then you are obviously doing
> something
>> right, but it's not clear to me what is being done wrong in the cases I
> have
>> witnessed/experienced.
>> 
>> Hans
>> 
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