[dba-Tech] The likes of which I've never seen before

Mon Oct 5 10:31:39 CDT 2015

My biggest complaint switching to 8.1 from 7 is that I'm going to have to
actually READ AN ARTICLE or two to figure out how to use it. I never had to
do that before -- a few minutes and you were just using it. :(

Susan H.

On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 10:11 AM, John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> wrote:

> Obviously you like the mess that is a huge desktop full of flashing icons,
> and that is good --  for you.
>
> But what I am discussing is that the mess that is the tiny start menu is
> NOT what we had in 2007.  So what the masses screamed for is NOT what
> Microsoft delivered.  What they delivered is the mess that is the screen
> full of flashing boxes, reduced to a small list.  Oh Joy.  Oh yes, and
> let's not forget, every program that they acknowledge being on the
> computer, organized in alpha order.
>
> What you are fastidiously avoiding acknowledging is that the mess that is
> either of the above is NOT a list of folders, each folder neatly organizing
> a bunch of programs.  Which, BTW, I am absolutely baffled as to why that is
> a bad thing?
>
> THAT is what the masses screamed for, and THAT is what MS, in their
> infinite wisdom, decided that I should not want, and resolutely refused to
> provide.
>
> And THAT is what I cannot figure out how to get from the mess that is the
> desktop full of flashing crap, or the "start menu" full of flashing crap.
>
> So. since you are one who knows this mess of flashing crap inside out, how
> do I get back to folders neatly organizing whatever is installed on my
> machine?
>
> And just so that you understand, sometimes a search fails.  If I do not
> know the name, how can I search for the name?  If I know that it belongs to
> Accuzip company, then (under the old system) I could simply open the start
> menu, find the Accuzip folder and voila, there are all of Accuzip's things
> neatly laid out in Accuzip's folder.  How logical is that?  Why is that
> bad?
>
> Now, I am a nubee to Windows 10, so it is entirely possible that MS has
> provided a similar functionality, begrudgingly provided but hidden in the
> deep dark bowels of the mess they call an interface.
>
> If that is the case, where is the equivalent functionality?  Where do I
> find all of Accuzips programs displayed as a group of related items?  Or
> all of the Office 97 items, vs all of the Office 2003 items, vs all of the
> Office 2007 items?  And if there is no group of items, how do I discover
> what all pieces and parts of Office 2007 exist on my machine?  The SEARCH
> BAR?????
>
> On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 9:53 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
>
> > Hi John
> >
> > Yes, that tiny start menu is a mess, but "the masses" screamed for it -
> to
> > have it like in Windows 95 to 7. Go figure.
> >
> > As of Windows 8, the intention of MS is that you start spelling what you
> > are after in the search box, and it will find it at once. Type, say,
> Remote
> > and it will list Remote Desktop.
> >
> > For those you often use, drag and drop them on the start pane and
> organize
> > in groups. It worked perfectly in Windows 8 with the horizontal scroll,
> but
> > you can live with the vertical scroll in Windows 10.
> >
> > /gustav
> >
> > -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> > Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] På vegne af
> > John Colby
> > Sendt: 5. oktober 2015 15:37
> > Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <
> > dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] The likes of which I've never seen before
> >
> > Not to hijack the thread but I purchased a new All-In-One which came with
> > Windows 8.1.  That offered an upgrade immediately and I did so, which
> went
> > smoothly.  So I am now on Windows 10 on one of my computers.  Other than
> > the start menu, which still will not show me the folders of apps that 7.1
> > showed, it is similar enough that I can get my work done.
> >
> > Where this lack of folders matters is that in the olden days, a program
> > would install and create a group for itself.  It would place all of its
> > programs in that group and add that group to the start menu.  Look in the
> > start menu and select that folder and you could SEE all of the items
> > related to the newly installed program.
> >
> > The new system does I know not what, but AFAICT it scatters them
> > willy-nilly (in alpha order) according to their name.  Well... if I have
> > just installed this thing with a half dozen parts, how am I supposed to
> > know what the names of all the parts are?
> >
> > Take office just as an example.  It would have an office folder,
> including
> > an Office97, Office 2003, Office7 etc.  Inside of each folder would be
> > Office, Excel, Power Point etc.
> >
> > Nice and neat, I could just select the folder I wanted, then the item in
> > the folder and go.
> >
> > Now, not so much.
> >
> > But I am told by those who simply don't care that I liked that system,
> > that I shouldn't like that system so I will submit to their superior(?)
> > wisdom (since I have no choice anyway).
> >
> > Which does leave me wondering how I am suppose to do those kinds of
> things
> > in the new system.
> >
> >
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