[dba-Tech] The likes of which I've never seen before

Mon Oct 5 10:46:03 CDT 2015

LOL, not blaming you, just pointing out that you are sadly mistaken that
the "start menu" MS provided was what I asked for.  Not even in the same
universe as what I asked for.  Luckily Classic Shell is precisely what I
asked for.

And I am not disparaging any other part of Windows 10.  Haven't been around
long enough to know what does and does not work.

I would like to point out that asking for a menu of folders grouping
installs is not "looking back", it is looking for a tool that worked.

I notice that you again avoid answering how (in the absence of Classic
Shell) I would go about seeing all of the programs associated with Windows
97 in one place, grouped together.

I assume that is because it can't be done.

As much as you don't care, I (and many other folks) do.

So Classic Shell handles my one big serious interface issue and I am
happily working away.

On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 11:30 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi John
>
> Don't blame me. I didn't ask for the reinvention of the Start Menu. It was
> people like you who did.
>
> The Start Screen of Windows 8 was great. You had both the larger tiles for
> frequently used applications and the other pane with the small tiles for
> everything installed.
>
> That said, you must meet any new system with a positive attitude. If not,
> you can make anything to fall behind.
>
> So, not a fan of the new Start Mess, I have decided to adopt for Windows
> 10. In any other way, it works absolutely great, it runs an all our home
> and office machines now, and for every machine to the better - from my ten
> years old HP Pavilion, my two ThinkStations, two Fujitsu desktops, the
> Surface Pro 2, to our two new Lenovo Yoga 2-1051 (amazing Atom-powered
> machines, by the way). It is the future, and looking back serves no purpose.
>
> /gustav
>
>
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] På vegne af
> John Colby
> Sendt: 5. oktober 2015 16:12
> Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <
> dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] The likes of which I've never seen before
>
> Obviously you like the mess that is a huge desktop full of flashing icons,
> and that is good --  for you.
>
> But what I am discussing is that the mess that is the tiny start menu is
> NOT what we had in 2007.  So what the masses screamed for is NOT what
> Microsoft delivered.  What they delivered is the mess that is the screen
> full of flashing boxes, reduced to a small list.  Oh Joy.  Oh yes, and
> let's not forget, every program that they acknowledge being on the
> computer, organized in alpha order.
>
> What you are fastidiously avoiding acknowledging is that the mess that is
> either of the above is NOT a list of folders, each folder neatly organizing
> a bunch of programs.  Which, BTW, I am absolutely baffled as to why that is
> a bad thing?
>
> THAT is what the masses screamed for, and THAT is what MS, in their
> infinite wisdom, decided that I should not want, and resolutely refused to
> provide.
>
> And THAT is what I cannot figure out how to get from the mess that is the
> desktop full of flashing crap, or the "start menu" full of flashing crap.
>
> So. since you are one who knows this mess of flashing crap inside out, how
> do I get back to folders neatly organizing whatever is installed on my
> machine?
>
> And just so that you understand, sometimes a search fails.  If I do not
> know the name, how can I search for the name?  If I know that it belongs to
> Accuzip company, then (under the old system) I could simply open the start
> menu, find the Accuzip folder and voila, there are all of Accuzip's things
> neatly laid out in Accuzip's folder.  How logical is that?  Why is that bad?
>
> Now, I am a nubee to Windows 10, so it is entirely possible that MS has
> provided a similar functionality, begrudgingly provided but hidden in the
> deep dark bowels of the mess they call an interface.
>
> If that is the case, where is the equivalent functionality?  Where do I
> find all of Accuzips programs displayed as a group of related items?  Or
> all of the Office 97 items, vs all of the Office 2003 items, vs all of the
> Office 2007 items?  And if there is no group of items, how do I discover
> what all pieces and parts of Office 2007 exist on my machine?  The SEARCH
> BAR?????
>
> On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 9:53 AM, Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
>
> > Hi John
> >
> > Yes, that tiny start menu is a mess, but "the masses" screamed for it
> > - to have it like in Windows 95 to 7. Go figure.
> >
> > As of Windows 8, the intention of MS is that you start spelling what
> > you are after in the search box, and it will find it at once. Type,
> > say, Remote and it will list Remote Desktop.
> >
> > For those you often use, drag and drop them on the start pane and
> > organize in groups. It worked perfectly in Windows 8 with the
> > horizontal scroll, but you can live with the vertical scroll in Windows
> 10.
> >
> > /gustav
> >
> > -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> > Fra: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] På vegne
> > af John Colby
> > Sendt: 5. oktober 2015 15:37
> > Til: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <
> > dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Emne: Re: [dba-Tech] The likes of which I've never seen before
> >
> > Not to hijack the thread but I purchased a new All-In-One which came
> > with Windows 8.1.  That offered an upgrade immediately and I did so,
> > which went smoothly.  So I am now on Windows 10 on one of my
> > computers.  Other than the start menu, which still will not show me
> > the folders of apps that 7.1 showed, it is similar enough that I can get
> my work done.
> >
> > Where this lack of folders matters is that in the olden days, a
> > program would install and create a group for itself.  It would place
> > all of its programs in that group and add that group to the start
> > menu.  Look in the start menu and select that folder and you could SEE
> > all of the items related to the newly installed program.
> >
> > The new system does I know not what, but AFAICT it scatters them
> > willy-nilly (in alpha order) according to their name.  Well... if I
> > have just installed this thing with a half dozen parts, how am I
> > supposed to know what the names of all the parts are?
> >
> > Take office just as an example.  It would have an office folder,
> > including an Office97, Office 2003, Office7 etc.  Inside of each
> > folder would be Office, Excel, Power Point etc.
> >
> > Nice and neat, I could just select the folder I wanted, then the item
> > in the folder and go.
> >
> > Now, not so much.
> >
> > But I am told by those who simply don't care that I liked that system,
> > that I shouldn't like that system so I will submit to their
> > superior(?) wisdom (since I have no choice anyway).
> >
> > Which does leave me wondering how I am suppose to do those kinds of
> > things in the new system.
>
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