[dba-Tech] Most Brand Name Routers Are Lemons, Claims New Study

Thu Aug 17 10:59:45 CDT 2017

If the room has a door a portable heater might work.  Do any of your
neighbors have Comcast, do they have the same problem?

On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 11:41 AM, Gary Kjos <garykjos at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks for your thoughts Dan.  I'm pretty sure that the room the
> router is in it NEVER gets above 75. It's in the basement. We are
> pretty well insulated.  We leave the A/C on almost all of the time
> with a programmable thermostat cycling it on to cool down in the late
> afternoon through the night and it gets down to about 70 in that room
> overnight and stays there or close to it.  There is a digital
> thermometer 5 feet away from the router with indoor and outdoor temps.
> I'll try and look at that the next time I am there watching it for
> when it starts to fail.   We do get warmer on our second floor and the
> main floor as heat rises and it's more exposed to the afternoon sun.
> This particular room is shaded by a deck to the west so it doesn't get
> much if any solar gain.  I'm not sure I can get that room to 80
> without getting the second floor to 90.
>
> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 10:24 AM, Dan Waters <df.waters at outlook.com>
> wrote:
> > Here's a test if you want to do it.
> >
> > On a colder day when the outside temp won't exceed 78F, turn on your
> home furnace until the temp gets to about 80F and keep it there for a
> couple of hours.  Does that cause an issue?  Now take the modem and set it
> on top of one of your air ducts to make sure that it gets warmer than 80F
> then plug it back in to see if things work.  Most electronics are designed
> to work at 120F or maybe higher so the modem should be working fine.  If
> things work under those conditions then a problem outside is much more
> likely.
> >
> > From what you're saying, it's just the outside temp that causes the
> problem.
> >
> > Good Luck!
> > Dan
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf
> Of Gary Kjos
> > Sent: August 17, 2017 10:17
> > To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> > Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Most Brand Name Routers Are Lemons, Claims New
> Study
> >
> > I've got a weird router related thing going on at home. We use the
> Comcast provided combination Modem/Router.  It's a Cisco Model DPC3941T
> DOCSIS 3.0 24x4 Wireless Residential Voice Gateway - wireless router -
> cable mdm - 802.11b/g/n/ac - desktop  But I am pretty sure it's not a
> router problem.
> >
> > Everything works perfectly most of the time.  BUT when the outside temp
> is over 78 degrees we have no internet connection.  The WIFI Still works
> and I can get from one machine to another inside the house.  But no
> Internet available UNTIL the outside temp goes back down below 78 or so.
> So this has meant that on warmer days we have no internet from about 10:30
> am until about 7:30 pm. TV still works perfectly during that time and it
> comes in on the same cable.  PHONE does NOT work during that time.  Comcast
> wants to come and look at the wiring and I guess I probably need to have
> them do that.  When it's working I get upwards of 180 MB download and 12 MB
> uploads so it's very fast.  On days when it's cooler - like today it's only
> going to be a high of 69, it will work perfectly all day.  I have gotten a
> new router and it hasn't changed anything.  I think the problem is outside
> of our house someplace.  Maybe a network switch in a cabinet someplace
> > in my neighborhood that sits in the sun and is overheating.    I just
> > don't like having the Comcast guys poking around in my house so I've
> resisted having them out to do that when I know it will be working again as
> soon as it cools off outside.  And it should be noted that we run our A/C
> most of the time when it's warm out.  but it won't normally kick on until
> about 4 or 5 pm in the afternoon when the sun starts to bake us from the
> west.  The wiring enters the house on the northeast corner of the house.
> It's in a shady location protected by shrubbery.  The local cable box that
> we plug into is also shaded by shrubbery.  It's just goofy.
> >
> > Oh and while the internet and phone is not working we still get the
> caller ID notifications on our televisions that tell us who is calling but
> the phone doesn't ring.
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 10:37 PM, John Bartow <jbartow at winhaven.net>
> wrote:
> >> Your trusted home office/small business router is quite likely to be a
> lemon, according to findings from a new http://resources.sei.cmu.edu/
> asset_files/SpecialReport/2017_003_001_502618.pdf done by Carnegie Mellon
> researchers. The study, released this month, found security flaws in all of
> its test models, all from leading brands.
> >> The flaws included cross-site request forgery vulnerabilities, default
> login credentials, vulnerability to DNS spoofing and outdated versions of
> the embedded Linux utility, BusyBox.
> >> The researchers analyzed 13 routers from such manufacturers as Apple,
> Belkin, Huawei, Motorola and Netgear, between 2014 and 2016.
> >> The researchers said they hoped their study would provide clear metrics
> about the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Market_for_Lemons effect,
> which refers to the term for how quality products disappear from a market,
> driving down prices and value.
> >> When vulnerabilities were found in products, Carnegie Mellon contacted
> the manufacturers, giving them 45 days to work on the issues before
> publicly releasing the details. In general, the vendors were slow to
> respond, with some not responding at all.
> >> For example, the study found several issues with Securifi's Almond
> router, notably that it was vulnerable to clickjacking, cross-site request
> forgery and, in one older model, didn't deliver firmware updates over HTTPS.
> >> Securifi said it would release an update within 45 days. Although the
> company provided an update to the researchers, it failed to announce the
> update on its website. The vendor did not list the update on its support
> website or on the router's update interface.
> >> The sheer volume of vulnerabilities in routers demands a new approach,
> one that could more tightly monitor router manufacturers and "help form a
> clearer picture of how different vendors and products measure up," claimed
> the study, which was funded by the U.S. Department of Defense.
> >> One solution to router problems is a public database of vulnerabilities
> that could help clean up the industry, noted the study. Bug reports could
> be left for open comments, allowing for further validation and providing a
> clearer picture on how vendors deal with issues.
> >> "Following widely accepted disclosure practices, a vendor would be
> given 45 days to respond to vulnerability reports," the study observed.
> "After the 45 days, the report would be added to a public database."
> >> Unfortunately, the study did not recommend any router. So, if you're in
> the market for a new router or simply want to ditch your present lemon,
> there's not much left to say, other than to read https://www.pcmag.com/
> article2/0,2817,2398080,00.asp for possible inspiration.
> >>
> >> https://www.vipre.com/blog/brand-name-routers-lemons-claims-new-study/
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> >>
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