[dba-Tech] Deleting your Facebook account

Rocky Smolin rockysmolin at bchacc.com
Wed Mar 28 23:05:19 CDT 2018 

I don't accept your premises 

" The world, thanks to our generation, is going to Hell." Bzzzt! Sorry. Incorrect. That is a qualitative personal view of the world.  I don't accept it as a given.  There are many great things about this world given to the world by our generation that would not exist if not for our generation. 

But I don't argue that you see the world that way - that you judge the balance of good versus bad to be so over weighted to bad that it looks like chaos to you - like Hell.

". Why would you choose to bring a newborn into the chaos that we have created?"  Bzzzt! I'm sorry.  But that conjecture is incorrect.  It is not my view of the world.  Nor many others that I know.  How many?  Who knows?

But I don't argue that you see the world that way - that you judge the balance of good versus bad to be so over weighted to bad that it looks like chaos to you - like Hell.

Both of our experiences of this world are sooooo limited.  I discount information brought to us by the media as it is not representative and therefore misleading. So really it's only personal experiences that can be used to inform our view.  

Does what's going on in North Korea qualify as chaos?  Would I decide not to have children because of Kim?  Or Trump? No. Or because of the homeless?  Or because of Africans starving?  Or because white policemen shoot black people?  

Would I choose not to have children because of the Pacific garbage patch?  Or Fukushima? 

Would I choose to remain childless because of gun violence or because of opioid deaths?

This is not my view of the world and so it is not the view of the world that I gave to my children.  There are things to be aware of in this world.  It's not friendly in a lot of places that they are very unlikely to find themselves anyway. But there is so much light in the world, so much good.  So many fine people. So many wonderful places and things.

If you immerse yourself in those things instead of the dark, fearful, depressing things, you see that the world is not a chaotic Hell.  But you have to decide what to see.  It's your choice.  There's lots of good and lots of bad. Whether you think the world is a wonderful place or chaotic Hell is not a logical evidence based deduction.

It's YOUR CHOICE. 

You have made your choice.  I have made mine. You have gone over to the dark side.  By choice. Make a different choice. See a different world.

r

-----Original Message-----
From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2018 6:26 PM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Deleting your Facebook account

How do you tell your children that the world is out to get you? How do you explain that the corporations (McDonalds, Burger King, A&W etc. are actively destroying your health? How do I explain this to a child, inundated with millions of dollars of TV ads?
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On the upside, I am without a wife and also kids,so this I guess is an academic question. I have no chestnuts in the fire, as it were. But I want to know, from those among you who have or plan to have, children, I want to know this. The world, thanks to our generation, is going to Hell. Why would you choose to bring a newborn into the chaos that we have created? Explain me this. (My own choice has been that the future world is too ugly to imagine, and therefore my choice is to forego having children.

On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 5:45 PM, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:

> That's right. It is not until children have matured do they see long 
> term consequences to their action. We are just putting this reality 
> all together in our own minds...it is all moving so fast. Do our 
> offspring stand a chance without informed and vigilant parents?
>
> Every parent always tell their children to look left then right (or in 
> your case right then left) and proceed when safe to do so, across the road.
> It was not always that way...we learned and we taught. Now our kids 
> kids are going to have to be taught the new world order.
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Martin Reid" <mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2018 11:14:23 AM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Deleting your Facebook account
>
> But the important target markets , kids, teenagers, women, men don't 
> really give a fiddlers.
>
> Martin
>
> Sent from my Windows Phone
> ________________________________
> From: Jim Lawrence<mailto:accessd at shaw.ca>
> Sent: ‎28/‎03/‎2018 19:09
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues<mailto:dba-tech@ 
> databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Deleting your Facebook account
>
> You are right but according to CA's CEO, all it takes is "likes" or 
> "dislikes" on ten items to create a strong personal profile. With 
> thirty tags, he said we have a in-depth profile with more insight than 
> the person themselves knows. So it does not even matter that you have 
> never contributed to a FB conversation...just the most rudimentary 
> tagging is all that is necessary.
>
> I would suspect that Cambridge Analytica also cross-indexes result to 
> any number of open data pools.
>
> I think Mark Zuckerberg, best summed it up with his opinion on those 
> who share everything on social media and expect alsolute privacy, "dumb F**KS".
>
> Chris Wylie is a "credit to Canada," says a Labour MP who heard the 
> whistleblower's explosive testimony about how the Leave campaign used 
> Cambridge Anayltica data:
>
> http://www.cbc.ca/listen/shows/as-it-happens/segment/15532139
> http://bit.ly/2pMftaz
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "peter brawley" brawley at earthlink.net>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2018 8:45:57 AM
> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Deleting your Facebook account
>
> On 3/27/2018 21:43, Jim Lawrence wrote:
> > Its too late Arthur. The doors of the proverbial barn are open wide 
> > and
> have been for quite some time. What has been done is done and it can 
> never be reversed.
>
> It ain't all-or-none. What you never post on FB can't be harvested 
> from FB, and there's an argument for not contributing in any way to 
> Zuckerberg's con game.
>
> PB
>
> -----
>
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Arthur Fuller" gmail.com>
> > To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues" 
> > databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2018 9:01:44 AM
> > Subject: [dba-Tech] Deleting your Facebook account
> >
> > In the light of the Cambridge Analytica fiasco, you may be tempted 
> > to delete your Facebook account. FB certainly doesn't make it easy 
> > to delete your account. What follows is a concise recipe for 
> > achieving this. But first a little preamble, that may help you in future adventures.
> >
> > 1. Visit Facebook in your browser. Drop down the arrow at the top 
> > right
> of
> > your screen and click *Settings*.
> > 2. At the bottom of the General Account Settings, click *Download a 
> > copy
> of
> > your Facebook data*.
> > 3. Select *Start My Archive*. This may take a while. When the 
> > process has completed, you'll see a little pop-up notification. I 
> > suggest that you
> log
> > out and inspect this file, if only to realize how lax you've been 
> > with
> your
> > data.
> > 5. Go to Delete My Account
> > <https://www.facebook.com/help/delete_account>. (This link will take 
> > you directly there; no need to login again.
> >
> >
> > There, it's done. You're free at last. You will receive another 
> > message, saying that it could take up to 2 weeks for FB to 
> > physically remove your account. Under no circumstance revisit your 
> > account during this period, else you'll undo what you've just done.
> >
>
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