[dba-Tech] Mozilla VPN for everyone.

Tue Oct 30 13:44:31 CDT 2018

Well, that kind of makes my point, if you think that but don't check it, you don't know. I know this most likely doesn't apply to any of the extremely intelligent people who subscribe to these lists but the vast majority of people don't bother checking into anything anymore. Or. Maybe worse yet, take advise from a quick spot on a television show.

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby <jwcolby at gmail.com> 
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2018 10:28 AM
To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>; John Bartow <jbartow at winhaven.net>
Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mozilla VPN for everyone.

I think if your reason to exist is to hide a user's identity, then collecting information about said identity is going to be discovered and no one will use your service.  Even the CIA and NSA can't keep their secrets.  A VPN has to keep no logs and allow auditing to clearly demonstrate that fact.

On 10/29/2018 7:54 PM, John Bartow wrote:
> Regarding the end point VPN server location collecting information concerning a particular user, it could be done.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-Tech <dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> On Behalf Of 
> Rocky Smolin
> Sent: Monday, October 29, 2018 12:32 PM
> To: 'Discussion of Hardware and Software issues' 
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> Subject: Re: [dba-Tech] Mozilla VPN for everyone.
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> "...in fact these companies keep no records at all and do not even have the capabilities to do so."
>
> Why do they not have the capability to record your browsing activity?
>
> r
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On 
> Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
> Sent: Monday, October 29, 2018 9:34 AM
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>
> Hi Rocky:
>
> Not really.
>
> The whole concept of a "private" VPN is to obscure your identity and keep no records of your activity...in fact these companies keep no records at all and do not even have the capabilities to do so. When you connect to one of these types of services, as far as anyone knows, your place of entry into the internet sphere is at one of the VPN provider servers portals. For example, I may be able to scan some documents or news-articles, that are geo-fenced, for only US consumption because as far as the website I am contacting, can evaluate, my location, is in San Francisco and because my address is a general use portal (IP address) there is no way to trace my start or real location or even who I am.
>
> Aside: Naturally, governments like the US, China and Russia would like to block all anonymous portals and legislation to that affect is already in the works. But Europe is still the bastion of personal privacy and so far its citizens have voted for legislation to keep it that way. As always the leader of such rights and privacy is Switzerland...though Canada has a fairly good reputations but how long can Canada hold out against its neighbour?
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "rockysmolin" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
> To: "Discussion of Hardware and Software issues"
> <dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2018 10:13:05 PM
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>
> But using a VPN aren't you trading one watcher - your browser and/or your ISP  -for another watcher, your VPN company?
>
> r
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dba-Tech [mailto:dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On 
> Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
> Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2018 9:10 PM
> To: Discussion of Hardware and Software issues
> Subject: [dba-Tech] Mozilla VPN for everyone.
>
> Firefox has decided to sell a secure VPN service that can be used 
> right from the browser. It is actually a partnership with ProtonVPN
> (https://protonvpn.com/) the famous owner of ProtonMail, the Swiss security provider and a company that the US has not legal jurisdiction over:
>
> https://www.theverge.com/platform/amp/2018/10/22/18011072/firefox-prot
> onvpn-
> subscription-ad-mozilla
> http://bit.ly/2Su6OWW
>
> Quote
>
> SWISS BASED
>
> We are headquartered in Switzerland which has some of the world's strongest privacy laws. Switzerland is also outside of EU and US jurisdiction and is not a member of the fourteen eyes surveillance network.
>
> FREE VPN
> We believe privacy and security are fundamental human rights, so we also provide a free version of ProtonVPN to the public. Unlike other free VPNs, there are no catches. We don't serve ads or secretly sell your browsing history. ProtonVPN Free is subsidized by ProtonVPN paid users. If you would like to support online privacy, please consider upgrading to a paid plan for faster speeds and more features.
>
> Jim
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