From Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org Mon Dec 12 10:08:07 2005 From: Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org (Jim DeMarco) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 11:08:07 -0500 Subject: [dba-VB] Is this possible (X-posted) Message-ID: <08F823FD83787D4BA0B99CA580AD3C74016C4259@TTNEXCHCL2.hshhp.com> dba-VB AccessD List, We have a VB/SQL app that we are actively marketing to other health plans and county social service agencies that handles enrollments into Medicaid and other government funded health programs. I have a need to transmit the apps data electronically from a health plan to a county agency. Yes we can simply FTP a file and let an agency pull the data down but it's not quite that simple. Different agencies have different needs for the data (some have IT resources, some don't, some need data input to send data back to plan some don't). My vision is a web portal where the county can define what data the plan should send them and define a file of what data they'll send back to the plan. My app should read the file and generate the appropriate export file and import data correctly based on the county's export (if any). Using .NET technologies I'd like the portal to also have the ability to connect to the local copy of my app's database for authentication and data access. The question is: Can I do this via web services? Can a user log on to my portal passing me a site ID so I know where their local database resides for authentication? That done, can I then create data entry forms against their local copy of the apps database? We'd rather not host all data here (competing plans may use the app and probably wouldn't care for that arrangement!) Hopefully this isn't too confusing and someone can enlighten me. TIA, Jim DeMarco Director of Application Development Hudson Health Plan *********************************************************************************** "This electronic message is intended to be for the use only of the named recipient, and may contain information from Hudson Health Plan (HHP) that is confidential or privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error or are not the named recipient, please notify us immediately, either by contacting the sender at the electronic mail address noted above or calling HHP at (914) 631-1611. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward this email to anyone, and delete and destroy all copies of this message. Thank You". *********************************************************************************** From michael at ddisolutions.com.au Mon Dec 12 17:03:43 2005 From: michael at ddisolutions.com.au (Michael Maddison) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 10:03:43 +1100 Subject: [dba-VB] Is this possible (X-posted) Message-ID: <59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D0116A133@ddi-01.DDI.local> Hi Jim, Sounds possible to me. In fact this is what web services are for IMO. One way I would do it is... Client app connects to WS, gets authenticated. Client app calls WS method for list of available fields, Client chooses which fields are required, pass back to WS, WS stores in your DB, client stores local copy. Client calls WS method to return data. Client calls WS method to upload data. Not sure you want to directly access there db's, let the WS and Client app do the DB work. cheers Michael M DDI Solutions Pty Ltd michael at ddisolutions.com.au Bus: 0260400620 Mob: 0412620497 www.ddisolutions.com.au -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco Sent: Tuesday, 13 December 2005 3:08 AM To: VB List (E-mail); AccessD (E-mail) Subject: [dba-VB] Is this possible (X-posted) dba-VB AccessD List, We have a VB/SQL app that we are actively marketing to other health plans and county social service agencies that handles enrollments into Medicaid and other government funded health programs. I have a need to transmit the apps data electronically from a health plan to a county agency. Yes we can simply FTP a file and let an agency pull the data down but it's not quite that simple. Different agencies have different needs for the data (some have IT resources, some don't, some need data input to send data back to plan some don't). My vision is a web portal where the county can define what data the plan should send them and define a file of what data they'll send back to the plan. My app should read the file and generate the appropriate export file and import data correctly based on the county's export (if any). Using .NET technologies I'd like the portal to also have the ability to connect to the local copy of my app's database for authentication and data access. The question is: Can I do this via web services? Can a user log on to my portal passing me a site ID so I know where their local database resides for authentication? That done, can I then create data entry forms against their local copy of the apps database? We'd rather not host all data here (competing plans may use the app and probably wouldn't care for that arrangement!) Hopefully this isn't too confusing and someone can enlighten me. TIA, Jim DeMarco Director of Application Development Hudson Health Plan ************************************************************************ *********** "This electronic message is intended to be for the use only of the named recipient, and may contain information from Hudson Health Plan (HHP) that is confidential or privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error or are not the named recipient, please notify us immediately, either by contacting the sender at the electronic mail address noted above or calling HHP at (914) 631-1611. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward this email to anyone, and delete and destroy all copies of this message. Thank You". ************************************************************************ *********** _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org Tue Dec 13 06:43:55 2005 From: Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org (Jim DeMarco) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 07:43:55 -0500 Subject: [dba-VB] Is this possible (X-posted) Message-ID: <08F823FD83787D4BA0B99CA580AD3C74016C4273@TTNEXCHCL2.hshhp.com> Michael, >> let the WS and Client app do the DB work Exactly what I was thinking. I just need to be able to tell the WS were the databases are for each client location (from the web interface). But you do believe that possible. That's good news. We'd also like a UI as some local gov't agencies have limited IT resources so they'd have to have write access to the data but if the above is true then this is likely to work as well. Thanks, Jim DeMarco -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Michael Maddison Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 6:04 PM To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Is this possible (X-posted) Hi Jim, Sounds possible to me. In fact this is what web services are for IMO. One way I would do it is... Client app connects to WS, gets authenticated. Client app calls WS method for list of available fields, Client chooses which fields are required, pass back to WS, WS stores in your DB, client stores local copy. Client calls WS method to return data. Client calls WS method to upload data. Not sure you want to directly access there db's, let the WS and Client app do the DB work. cheers Michael M DDI Solutions Pty Ltd michael at ddisolutions.com.au Bus: 0260400620 Mob: 0412620497 www.ddisolutions.com.au -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco Sent: Tuesday, 13 December 2005 3:08 AM To: VB List (E-mail); AccessD (E-mail) Subject: [dba-VB] Is this possible (X-posted) dba-VB AccessD List, We have a VB/SQL app that we are actively marketing to other health plans and county social service agencies that handles enrollments into Medicaid and other government funded health programs. I have a need to transmit the apps data electronically from a health plan to a county agency. Yes we can simply FTP a file and let an agency pull the data down but it's not quite that simple. Different agencies have different needs for the data (some have IT resources, some don't, some need data input to send data back to plan some don't). My vision is a web portal where the county can define what data the plan should send them and define a file of what data they'll send back to the plan. My app should read the file and generate the appropriate export file and import data correctly based on the county's export (if any). Using .NET technologies I'd like the portal to also have the ability to connect to the local copy of my app's database for authentication and data access. The question is: Can I do this via web services? Can a user log on to my portal passing me a site ID so I know where their local database resides for authentication? That done, can I then create data entry forms against their local copy of the apps database? We'd rather not host all data here (competing plans may use the app and probably wouldn't care for that arrangement!) Hopefully this isn't too confusing and someone can enlighten me. TIA, Jim DeMarco Director of Application Development Hudson Health Plan ************************************************************************ *********** "This electronic message is intended to be for the use only of the named recipient, and may contain information from Hudson Health Plan (HHP) that is confidential or privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error or are not the named recipient, please notify us immediately, either by contacting the sender at the electronic mail address noted above or calling HHP at (914) 631-1611. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward this email to anyone, and delete and destroy all copies of this message. Thank You". ************************************************************************ *********** _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com *********************************************************************************** "This electronic message is intended to be for the use only of the named recipient, and may contain information from Hudson Health Plan (HHP) that is confidential or privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error or are not the named recipient, please notify us immediately, either by contacting the sender at the electronic mail address noted above or calling HHP at (914) 631-1611. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward this email to anyone, and delete and destroy all copies of this message. Thank You". *********************************************************************************** From michael at ddisolutions.com.au Tue Dec 13 18:21:38 2005 From: michael at ddisolutions.com.au (Michael Maddison) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 11:21:38 +1100 Subject: [dba-VB] Is this possible (X-posted) Message-ID: <59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D0116A140@ddi-01.DDI.local> Jim, I've just re-read your email and realised what you appear to want is probably not straightforward. Lets see if I got you right this time... The client logs onto you shell site. Your site then connects to the client PC, then the client db, pulls data back up to the web server and displays to the client? Even if this is possible (I have doubts) isn't it going to be very slow? Security would be a nightmare IMO. Maybe replication might help? Much better to have a dedicated db for each client on your db server. There are plenty of companies using this model already. cheers Michael M Michael, >> let the WS and Client app do the DB work Exactly what I was thinking. I just need to be able to tell the WS were the databases are for each client location (from the web interface). But you do believe that possible. That's good news. We'd also like a UI as some local gov't agencies have limited IT resources so they'd have to have write access to the data but if the above is true then this is likely to work as well. Thanks, Jim DeMarco -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Michael Maddison Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 6:04 PM To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Is this possible (X-posted) Hi Jim, Sounds possible to me. In fact this is what web services are for IMO. One way I would do it is... Client app connects to WS, gets authenticated. Client app calls WS method for list of available fields, Client chooses which fields are required, pass back to WS, WS stores in your DB, client stores local copy. Client calls WS method to return data. Client calls WS method to upload data. Not sure you want to directly access there db's, let the WS and Client app do the DB work. cheers Michael M DDI Solutions Pty Ltd michael at ddisolutions.com.au Bus: 0260400620 Mob: 0412620497 www.ddisolutions.com.au -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco Sent: Tuesday, 13 December 2005 3:08 AM To: VB List (E-mail); AccessD (E-mail) Subject: [dba-VB] Is this possible (X-posted) dba-VB AccessD List, We have a VB/SQL app that we are actively marketing to other health plans and county social service agencies that handles enrollments into Medicaid and other government funded health programs. I have a need to transmit the apps data electronically from a health plan to a county agency. Yes we can simply FTP a file and let an agency pull the data down but it's not quite that simple. Different agencies have different needs for the data (some have IT resources, some don't, some need data input to send data back to plan some don't). My vision is a web portal where the county can define what data the plan should send them and define a file of what data they'll send back to the plan. My app should read the file and generate the appropriate export file and import data correctly based on the county's export (if any). Using .NET technologies I'd like the portal to also have the ability to connect to the local copy of my app's database for authentication and data access. The question is: Can I do this via web services? Can a user log on to my portal passing me a site ID so I know where their local database resides for authentication? That done, can I then create data entry forms against their local copy of the apps database? We'd rather not host all data here (competing plans may use the app and probably wouldn't care for that arrangement!) Hopefully this isn't too confusing and someone can enlighten me. TIA, Jim DeMarco Director of Application Development Hudson Health Plan ************************************************************************ *********** "This electronic message is intended to be for the use only of the named recipient, and may contain information from Hudson Health Plan (HHP) that is confidential or privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error or are not the named recipient, please notify us immediately, either by contacting the sender at the electronic mail address noted above or calling HHP at (914) 631-1611. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward this email to anyone, and delete and destroy all copies of this message. Thank You". ************************************************************************ *********** _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com ************************************************************************ *********** "This electronic message is intended to be for the use only of the named recipient, and may contain information from Hudson Health Plan (HHP) that is confidential or privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error or are not the named recipient, please notify us immediately, either by contacting the sender at the electronic mail address noted above or calling HHP at (914) 631-1611. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward this email to anyone, and delete and destroy all copies of this message. Thank You". ************************************************************************ *********** _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org Wed Dec 14 07:00:51 2005 From: Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org (Jim DeMarco) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 08:00:51 -0500 Subject: [dba-VB] Is this possible (X-posted) Message-ID: <08F823FD83787D4BA0B99CA580AD3C74016C4283@TTNEXCHCL2.hshhp.com> The confusion seems to be on the definition of the client end. By client I'm referring to the SQL DB hosted on their server not a db on a local PC. We'd like them to be able to access their data as if we were hosting the db. I'm not clear on why that's different. If I have a web site and I host the database users can log on and access data and do data entry chores. What's the difference if the db is hosted elsewhere and I point to it dynamically based on user log on? There are two required components to this app. 1 - defining files (or maybe data streams) for download/upload, 2 - sending files/data. The ability to provide some data entry tools is a would be nice but if I can do the file/data stuff this should be possible. Someone had suggested .NET remoting which may be an option in this case. Jim D. -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Michael Maddison Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 7:22 PM To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Is this possible (X-posted) Jim, I've just re-read your email and realised what you appear to want is probably not straightforward. Lets see if I got you right this time... The client logs onto you shell site. Your site then connects to the client PC, then the client db, pulls data back up to the web server and displays to the client? Even if this is possible (I have doubts) isn't it going to be very slow? Security would be a nightmare IMO. Maybe replication might help? Much better to have a dedicated db for each client on your db server. There are plenty of companies using this model already. cheers Michael M Michael, >> let the WS and Client app do the DB work Exactly what I was thinking. I just need to be able to tell the WS were the databases are for each client location (from the web interface). But you do believe that possible. That's good news. We'd also like a UI as some local gov't agencies have limited IT resources so they'd have to have write access to the data but if the above is true then this is likely to work as well. Thanks, Jim DeMarco -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Michael Maddison Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 6:04 PM To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Is this possible (X-posted) Hi Jim, Sounds possible to me. In fact this is what web services are for IMO. One way I would do it is... Client app connects to WS, gets authenticated. Client app calls WS method for list of available fields, Client chooses which fields are required, pass back to WS, WS stores in your DB, client stores local copy. Client calls WS method to return data. Client calls WS method to upload data. Not sure you want to directly access there db's, let the WS and Client app do the DB work. cheers Michael M DDI Solutions Pty Ltd michael at ddisolutions.com.au Bus: 0260400620 Mob: 0412620497 www.ddisolutions.com.au -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco Sent: Tuesday, 13 December 2005 3:08 AM To: VB List (E-mail); AccessD (E-mail) Subject: [dba-VB] Is this possible (X-posted) dba-VB AccessD List, We have a VB/SQL app that we are actively marketing to other health plans and county social service agencies that handles enrollments into Medicaid and other government funded health programs. I have a need to transmit the apps data electronically from a health plan to a county agency. Yes we can simply FTP a file and let an agency pull the data down but it's not quite that simple. Different agencies have different needs for the data (some have IT resources, some don't, some need data input to send data back to plan some don't). My vision is a web portal where the county can define what data the plan should send them and define a file of what data they'll send back to the plan. My app should read the file and generate the appropriate export file and import data correctly based on the county's export (if any). Using .NET technologies I'd like the portal to also have the ability to connect to the local copy of my app's database for authentication and data access. The question is: Can I do this via web services? Can a user log on to my portal passing me a site ID so I know where their local database resides for authentication? That done, can I then create data entry forms against their local copy of the apps database? We'd rather not host all data here (competing plans may use the app and probably wouldn't care for that arrangement!) Hopefully this isn't too confusing and someone can enlighten me. TIA, Jim DeMarco Director of Application Development Hudson Health Plan ************************************************************************ *********** "This electronic message is intended to be for the use only of the named recipient, and may contain information from Hudson Health Plan (HHP) that is confidential or privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error or are not the named recipient, please notify us immediately, either by contacting the sender at the electronic mail address noted above or calling HHP at (914) 631-1611. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward this email to anyone, and delete and destroy all copies of this message. Thank You". ************************************************************************ *********** _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com ************************************************************************ *********** "This electronic message is intended to be for the use only of the named recipient, and may contain information from Hudson Health Plan (HHP) that is confidential or privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error or are not the named recipient, please notify us immediately, either by contacting the sender at the electronic mail address noted above or calling HHP at (914) 631-1611. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward this email to anyone, and delete and destroy all copies of this message. Thank You". ************************************************************************ *********** _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com *********************************************************************************** "This electronic message is intended to be for the use only of the named recipient, and may contain information from Hudson Health Plan (HHP) that is confidential or privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error or are not the named recipient, please notify us immediately, either by contacting the sender at the electronic mail address noted above or calling HHP at (914) 631-1611. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward this email to anyone, and delete and destroy all copies of this message. Thank You". *********************************************************************************** From listmaster at databaseadvisors.com Thu Dec 22 23:26:40 2005 From: listmaster at databaseadvisors.com (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 00:26:40 -0500 Subject: [dba-VB] Administrivia - DBA Board of Directors for 2006/2007 Message-ID: <43AB4440.6592.BC669@listmaster.databaseadvisors.com> The Shareholders of Database Advisors, Inc. have just met and elected the Board of Directors for 2006/2007. Congratulations to the new Board of Directors: Donna Cook, Drew Wutka, Jim Lawrence, John Bartow, John Colby, Keith Williamson, Lembit Soobik, Reuben Cummings, Rocky Smolin for John Bartow President, DatabaseAdvisors.com From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com Sat Dec 31 10:37:45 2005 From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 11:37:45 -0500 Subject: [dba-VB] Ado.net 2.0 Message-ID: <200512311637.jBVGbxV30372@databaseadvisors.com> I am having a hard time getting started with ADO.net 2.0. I need example code for SOMETHING (anything) that looks up data in a table, preferably in an sql server db. As an example, I have a the "login form" that the wizard builds in VB.Net 2.0. It has two text boxes for username and password, and an OK and Cancel button. No code. I have a user table in a SQL Server database, with a UserName and PasswordHash field. I need to accept the user's input of the username and look it up in the user table in the SQL, retrieving the passwordhash. I can do everything except get the data. Frustrating. I could do it in 1.x (which still works) but I understand that there is a "newer/better/faster/easier" way to do this stuff in 2.0. The only problem is getting examples. As you probably know all anyone is interested in is binding controls to data which isn't what I want. I need to know how to do it all in code. Eventually (soon thereafter) I will want to pull an entire set of tables, iterating the tables, populating classes with the data in the tables. The data in the classes will be changing so I need the classes to be able to write the data back out to the tables as well. Again, what I need in this instance is an example, from the start, of dimming all of the objects required, then reading data out of a given table, and writing data back into that same table. If anyone has example code that they wrote, or a web page that does this programmatic manipulation, from start to finish, I would be forever grateful. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: http://folding.stanford.edu/ From Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org Mon Dec 12 10:08:07 2005 From: Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org (Jim DeMarco) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 11:08:07 -0500 Subject: [dba-VB] Is this possible (X-posted) Message-ID: <08F823FD83787D4BA0B99CA580AD3C74016C4259@TTNEXCHCL2.hshhp.com> dba-VB AccessD List, We have a VB/SQL app that we are actively marketing to other health plans and county social service agencies that handles enrollments into Medicaid and other government funded health programs. I have a need to transmit the apps data electronically from a health plan to a county agency. Yes we can simply FTP a file and let an agency pull the data down but it's not quite that simple. Different agencies have different needs for the data (some have IT resources, some don't, some need data input to send data back to plan some don't). My vision is a web portal where the county can define what data the plan should send them and define a file of what data they'll send back to the plan. My app should read the file and generate the appropriate export file and import data correctly based on the county's export (if any). Using .NET technologies I'd like the portal to also have the ability to connect to the local copy of my app's database for authentication and data access. The question is: Can I do this via web services? Can a user log on to my portal passing me a site ID so I know where their local database resides for authentication? That done, can I then create data entry forms against their local copy of the apps database? We'd rather not host all data here (competing plans may use the app and probably wouldn't care for that arrangement!) Hopefully this isn't too confusing and someone can enlighten me. TIA, Jim DeMarco Director of Application Development Hudson Health Plan *********************************************************************************** "This electronic message is intended to be for the use only of the named recipient, and may contain information from Hudson Health Plan (HHP) that is confidential or privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error or are not the named recipient, please notify us immediately, either by contacting the sender at the electronic mail address noted above or calling HHP at (914) 631-1611. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward this email to anyone, and delete and destroy all copies of this message. Thank You". *********************************************************************************** From michael at ddisolutions.com.au Mon Dec 12 17:03:43 2005 From: michael at ddisolutions.com.au (Michael Maddison) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 10:03:43 +1100 Subject: [dba-VB] Is this possible (X-posted) Message-ID: <59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D0116A133@ddi-01.DDI.local> Hi Jim, Sounds possible to me. In fact this is what web services are for IMO. One way I would do it is... Client app connects to WS, gets authenticated. Client app calls WS method for list of available fields, Client chooses which fields are required, pass back to WS, WS stores in your DB, client stores local copy. Client calls WS method to return data. Client calls WS method to upload data. Not sure you want to directly access there db's, let the WS and Client app do the DB work. cheers Michael M DDI Solutions Pty Ltd michael at ddisolutions.com.au Bus: 0260400620 Mob: 0412620497 www.ddisolutions.com.au -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco Sent: Tuesday, 13 December 2005 3:08 AM To: VB List (E-mail); AccessD (E-mail) Subject: [dba-VB] Is this possible (X-posted) dba-VB AccessD List, We have a VB/SQL app that we are actively marketing to other health plans and county social service agencies that handles enrollments into Medicaid and other government funded health programs. I have a need to transmit the apps data electronically from a health plan to a county agency. Yes we can simply FTP a file and let an agency pull the data down but it's not quite that simple. Different agencies have different needs for the data (some have IT resources, some don't, some need data input to send data back to plan some don't). My vision is a web portal where the county can define what data the plan should send them and define a file of what data they'll send back to the plan. My app should read the file and generate the appropriate export file and import data correctly based on the county's export (if any). Using .NET technologies I'd like the portal to also have the ability to connect to the local copy of my app's database for authentication and data access. The question is: Can I do this via web services? Can a user log on to my portal passing me a site ID so I know where their local database resides for authentication? That done, can I then create data entry forms against their local copy of the apps database? We'd rather not host all data here (competing plans may use the app and probably wouldn't care for that arrangement!) Hopefully this isn't too confusing and someone can enlighten me. TIA, Jim DeMarco Director of Application Development Hudson Health Plan ************************************************************************ *********** "This electronic message is intended to be for the use only of the named recipient, and may contain information from Hudson Health Plan (HHP) that is confidential or privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error or are not the named recipient, please notify us immediately, either by contacting the sender at the electronic mail address noted above or calling HHP at (914) 631-1611. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward this email to anyone, and delete and destroy all copies of this message. Thank You". ************************************************************************ *********** _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org Tue Dec 13 06:43:55 2005 From: Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org (Jim DeMarco) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 07:43:55 -0500 Subject: [dba-VB] Is this possible (X-posted) Message-ID: <08F823FD83787D4BA0B99CA580AD3C74016C4273@TTNEXCHCL2.hshhp.com> Michael, >> let the WS and Client app do the DB work Exactly what I was thinking. I just need to be able to tell the WS were the databases are for each client location (from the web interface). But you do believe that possible. That's good news. We'd also like a UI as some local gov't agencies have limited IT resources so they'd have to have write access to the data but if the above is true then this is likely to work as well. Thanks, Jim DeMarco -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Michael Maddison Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 6:04 PM To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Is this possible (X-posted) Hi Jim, Sounds possible to me. In fact this is what web services are for IMO. One way I would do it is... Client app connects to WS, gets authenticated. Client app calls WS method for list of available fields, Client chooses which fields are required, pass back to WS, WS stores in your DB, client stores local copy. Client calls WS method to return data. Client calls WS method to upload data. Not sure you want to directly access there db's, let the WS and Client app do the DB work. cheers Michael M DDI Solutions Pty Ltd michael at ddisolutions.com.au Bus: 0260400620 Mob: 0412620497 www.ddisolutions.com.au -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco Sent: Tuesday, 13 December 2005 3:08 AM To: VB List (E-mail); AccessD (E-mail) Subject: [dba-VB] Is this possible (X-posted) dba-VB AccessD List, We have a VB/SQL app that we are actively marketing to other health plans and county social service agencies that handles enrollments into Medicaid and other government funded health programs. I have a need to transmit the apps data electronically from a health plan to a county agency. Yes we can simply FTP a file and let an agency pull the data down but it's not quite that simple. Different agencies have different needs for the data (some have IT resources, some don't, some need data input to send data back to plan some don't). My vision is a web portal where the county can define what data the plan should send them and define a file of what data they'll send back to the plan. My app should read the file and generate the appropriate export file and import data correctly based on the county's export (if any). Using .NET technologies I'd like the portal to also have the ability to connect to the local copy of my app's database for authentication and data access. The question is: Can I do this via web services? Can a user log on to my portal passing me a site ID so I know where their local database resides for authentication? That done, can I then create data entry forms against their local copy of the apps database? We'd rather not host all data here (competing plans may use the app and probably wouldn't care for that arrangement!) Hopefully this isn't too confusing and someone can enlighten me. TIA, Jim DeMarco Director of Application Development Hudson Health Plan ************************************************************************ *********** "This electronic message is intended to be for the use only of the named recipient, and may contain information from Hudson Health Plan (HHP) that is confidential or privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error or are not the named recipient, please notify us immediately, either by contacting the sender at the electronic mail address noted above or calling HHP at (914) 631-1611. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward this email to anyone, and delete and destroy all copies of this message. Thank You". ************************************************************************ *********** _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com *********************************************************************************** "This electronic message is intended to be for the use only of the named recipient, and may contain information from Hudson Health Plan (HHP) that is confidential or privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error or are not the named recipient, please notify us immediately, either by contacting the sender at the electronic mail address noted above or calling HHP at (914) 631-1611. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward this email to anyone, and delete and destroy all copies of this message. Thank You". *********************************************************************************** From michael at ddisolutions.com.au Tue Dec 13 18:21:38 2005 From: michael at ddisolutions.com.au (Michael Maddison) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 11:21:38 +1100 Subject: [dba-VB] Is this possible (X-posted) Message-ID: <59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D0116A140@ddi-01.DDI.local> Jim, I've just re-read your email and realised what you appear to want is probably not straightforward. Lets see if I got you right this time... The client logs onto you shell site. Your site then connects to the client PC, then the client db, pulls data back up to the web server and displays to the client? Even if this is possible (I have doubts) isn't it going to be very slow? Security would be a nightmare IMO. Maybe replication might help? Much better to have a dedicated db for each client on your db server. There are plenty of companies using this model already. cheers Michael M Michael, >> let the WS and Client app do the DB work Exactly what I was thinking. I just need to be able to tell the WS were the databases are for each client location (from the web interface). But you do believe that possible. That's good news. We'd also like a UI as some local gov't agencies have limited IT resources so they'd have to have write access to the data but if the above is true then this is likely to work as well. Thanks, Jim DeMarco -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Michael Maddison Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 6:04 PM To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Is this possible (X-posted) Hi Jim, Sounds possible to me. In fact this is what web services are for IMO. One way I would do it is... Client app connects to WS, gets authenticated. Client app calls WS method for list of available fields, Client chooses which fields are required, pass back to WS, WS stores in your DB, client stores local copy. Client calls WS method to return data. Client calls WS method to upload data. Not sure you want to directly access there db's, let the WS and Client app do the DB work. cheers Michael M DDI Solutions Pty Ltd michael at ddisolutions.com.au Bus: 0260400620 Mob: 0412620497 www.ddisolutions.com.au -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco Sent: Tuesday, 13 December 2005 3:08 AM To: VB List (E-mail); AccessD (E-mail) Subject: [dba-VB] Is this possible (X-posted) dba-VB AccessD List, We have a VB/SQL app that we are actively marketing to other health plans and county social service agencies that handles enrollments into Medicaid and other government funded health programs. I have a need to transmit the apps data electronically from a health plan to a county agency. Yes we can simply FTP a file and let an agency pull the data down but it's not quite that simple. Different agencies have different needs for the data (some have IT resources, some don't, some need data input to send data back to plan some don't). My vision is a web portal where the county can define what data the plan should send them and define a file of what data they'll send back to the plan. My app should read the file and generate the appropriate export file and import data correctly based on the county's export (if any). Using .NET technologies I'd like the portal to also have the ability to connect to the local copy of my app's database for authentication and data access. The question is: Can I do this via web services? Can a user log on to my portal passing me a site ID so I know where their local database resides for authentication? That done, can I then create data entry forms against their local copy of the apps database? We'd rather not host all data here (competing plans may use the app and probably wouldn't care for that arrangement!) Hopefully this isn't too confusing and someone can enlighten me. TIA, Jim DeMarco Director of Application Development Hudson Health Plan ************************************************************************ *********** "This electronic message is intended to be for the use only of the named recipient, and may contain information from Hudson Health Plan (HHP) that is confidential or privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error or are not the named recipient, please notify us immediately, either by contacting the sender at the electronic mail address noted above or calling HHP at (914) 631-1611. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward this email to anyone, and delete and destroy all copies of this message. Thank You". ************************************************************************ *********** _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com ************************************************************************ *********** "This electronic message is intended to be for the use only of the named recipient, and may contain information from Hudson Health Plan (HHP) that is confidential or privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error or are not the named recipient, please notify us immediately, either by contacting the sender at the electronic mail address noted above or calling HHP at (914) 631-1611. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward this email to anyone, and delete and destroy all copies of this message. Thank You". ************************************************************************ *********** _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org Wed Dec 14 07:00:51 2005 From: Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org (Jim DeMarco) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 08:00:51 -0500 Subject: [dba-VB] Is this possible (X-posted) Message-ID: <08F823FD83787D4BA0B99CA580AD3C74016C4283@TTNEXCHCL2.hshhp.com> The confusion seems to be on the definition of the client end. By client I'm referring to the SQL DB hosted on their server not a db on a local PC. We'd like them to be able to access their data as if we were hosting the db. I'm not clear on why that's different. If I have a web site and I host the database users can log on and access data and do data entry chores. What's the difference if the db is hosted elsewhere and I point to it dynamically based on user log on? There are two required components to this app. 1 - defining files (or maybe data streams) for download/upload, 2 - sending files/data. The ability to provide some data entry tools is a would be nice but if I can do the file/data stuff this should be possible. Someone had suggested .NET remoting which may be an option in this case. Jim D. -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Michael Maddison Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 7:22 PM To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Is this possible (X-posted) Jim, I've just re-read your email and realised what you appear to want is probably not straightforward. Lets see if I got you right this time... The client logs onto you shell site. Your site then connects to the client PC, then the client db, pulls data back up to the web server and displays to the client? Even if this is possible (I have doubts) isn't it going to be very slow? Security would be a nightmare IMO. Maybe replication might help? Much better to have a dedicated db for each client on your db server. There are plenty of companies using this model already. cheers Michael M Michael, >> let the WS and Client app do the DB work Exactly what I was thinking. I just need to be able to tell the WS were the databases are for each client location (from the web interface). But you do believe that possible. That's good news. We'd also like a UI as some local gov't agencies have limited IT resources so they'd have to have write access to the data but if the above is true then this is likely to work as well. Thanks, Jim DeMarco -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Michael Maddison Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 6:04 PM To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Is this possible (X-posted) Hi Jim, Sounds possible to me. In fact this is what web services are for IMO. One way I would do it is... Client app connects to WS, gets authenticated. Client app calls WS method for list of available fields, Client chooses which fields are required, pass back to WS, WS stores in your DB, client stores local copy. Client calls WS method to return data. Client calls WS method to upload data. Not sure you want to directly access there db's, let the WS and Client app do the DB work. cheers Michael M DDI Solutions Pty Ltd michael at ddisolutions.com.au Bus: 0260400620 Mob: 0412620497 www.ddisolutions.com.au -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco Sent: Tuesday, 13 December 2005 3:08 AM To: VB List (E-mail); AccessD (E-mail) Subject: [dba-VB] Is this possible (X-posted) dba-VB AccessD List, We have a VB/SQL app that we are actively marketing to other health plans and county social service agencies that handles enrollments into Medicaid and other government funded health programs. I have a need to transmit the apps data electronically from a health plan to a county agency. Yes we can simply FTP a file and let an agency pull the data down but it's not quite that simple. Different agencies have different needs for the data (some have IT resources, some don't, some need data input to send data back to plan some don't). My vision is a web portal where the county can define what data the plan should send them and define a file of what data they'll send back to the plan. My app should read the file and generate the appropriate export file and import data correctly based on the county's export (if any). Using .NET technologies I'd like the portal to also have the ability to connect to the local copy of my app's database for authentication and data access. The question is: Can I do this via web services? Can a user log on to my portal passing me a site ID so I know where their local database resides for authentication? That done, can I then create data entry forms against their local copy of the apps database? We'd rather not host all data here (competing plans may use the app and probably wouldn't care for that arrangement!) Hopefully this isn't too confusing and someone can enlighten me. TIA, Jim DeMarco Director of Application Development Hudson Health Plan ************************************************************************ *********** "This electronic message is intended to be for the use only of the named recipient, and may contain information from Hudson Health Plan (HHP) that is confidential or privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error or are not the named recipient, please notify us immediately, either by contacting the sender at the electronic mail address noted above or calling HHP at (914) 631-1611. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward this email to anyone, and delete and destroy all copies of this message. Thank You". ************************************************************************ *********** _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com ************************************************************************ *********** "This electronic message is intended to be for the use only of the named recipient, and may contain information from Hudson Health Plan (HHP) that is confidential or privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error or are not the named recipient, please notify us immediately, either by contacting the sender at the electronic mail address noted above or calling HHP at (914) 631-1611. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward this email to anyone, and delete and destroy all copies of this message. Thank You". ************************************************************************ *********** _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com *********************************************************************************** "This electronic message is intended to be for the use only of the named recipient, and may contain information from Hudson Health Plan (HHP) that is confidential or privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error or are not the named recipient, please notify us immediately, either by contacting the sender at the electronic mail address noted above or calling HHP at (914) 631-1611. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward this email to anyone, and delete and destroy all copies of this message. Thank You". *********************************************************************************** From listmaster at databaseadvisors.com Thu Dec 22 23:26:40 2005 From: listmaster at databaseadvisors.com (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 00:26:40 -0500 Subject: [dba-VB] Administrivia - DBA Board of Directors for 2006/2007 Message-ID: <43AB4440.6592.BC669@listmaster.databaseadvisors.com> The Shareholders of Database Advisors, Inc. have just met and elected the Board of Directors for 2006/2007. Congratulations to the new Board of Directors: Donna Cook, Drew Wutka, Jim Lawrence, John Bartow, John Colby, Keith Williamson, Lembit Soobik, Reuben Cummings, Rocky Smolin for John Bartow President, DatabaseAdvisors.com From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com Sat Dec 31 10:37:45 2005 From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 11:37:45 -0500 Subject: [dba-VB] Ado.net 2.0 Message-ID: <200512311637.jBVGbxV30372@databaseadvisors.com> I am having a hard time getting started with ADO.net 2.0. I need example code for SOMETHING (anything) that looks up data in a table, preferably in an sql server db. As an example, I have a the "login form" that the wizard builds in VB.Net 2.0. It has two text boxes for username and password, and an OK and Cancel button. No code. I have a user table in a SQL Server database, with a UserName and PasswordHash field. I need to accept the user's input of the username and look it up in the user table in the SQL, retrieving the passwordhash. I can do everything except get the data. Frustrating. I could do it in 1.x (which still works) but I understand that there is a "newer/better/faster/easier" way to do this stuff in 2.0. The only problem is getting examples. As you probably know all anyone is interested in is binding controls to data which isn't what I want. I need to know how to do it all in code. Eventually (soon thereafter) I will want to pull an entire set of tables, iterating the tables, populating classes with the data in the tables. The data in the classes will be changing so I need the classes to be able to write the data back out to the tables as well. Again, what I need in this instance is an example, from the start, of dimming all of the objects required, then reading data out of a given table, and writing data back into that same table. If anyone has example code that they wrote, or a web page that does this programmatic manipulation, from start to finish, I would be forever grateful. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: http://folding.stanford.edu/ From Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org Mon Dec 12 10:08:07 2005 From: Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org (Jim DeMarco) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 11:08:07 -0500 Subject: [dba-VB] Is this possible (X-posted) Message-ID: <08F823FD83787D4BA0B99CA580AD3C74016C4259@TTNEXCHCL2.hshhp.com> dba-VB AccessD List, We have a VB/SQL app that we are actively marketing to other health plans and county social service agencies that handles enrollments into Medicaid and other government funded health programs. I have a need to transmit the apps data electronically from a health plan to a county agency. Yes we can simply FTP a file and let an agency pull the data down but it's not quite that simple. Different agencies have different needs for the data (some have IT resources, some don't, some need data input to send data back to plan some don't). My vision is a web portal where the county can define what data the plan should send them and define a file of what data they'll send back to the plan. My app should read the file and generate the appropriate export file and import data correctly based on the county's export (if any). Using .NET technologies I'd like the portal to also have the ability to connect to the local copy of my app's database for authentication and data access. The question is: Can I do this via web services? Can a user log on to my portal passing me a site ID so I know where their local database resides for authentication? That done, can I then create data entry forms against their local copy of the apps database? We'd rather not host all data here (competing plans may use the app and probably wouldn't care for that arrangement!) Hopefully this isn't too confusing and someone can enlighten me. TIA, Jim DeMarco Director of Application Development Hudson Health Plan *********************************************************************************** "This electronic message is intended to be for the use only of the named recipient, and may contain information from Hudson Health Plan (HHP) that is confidential or privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error or are not the named recipient, please notify us immediately, either by contacting the sender at the electronic mail address noted above or calling HHP at (914) 631-1611. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward this email to anyone, and delete and destroy all copies of this message. Thank You". *********************************************************************************** From michael at ddisolutions.com.au Mon Dec 12 17:03:43 2005 From: michael at ddisolutions.com.au (Michael Maddison) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 10:03:43 +1100 Subject: [dba-VB] Is this possible (X-posted) Message-ID: <59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D0116A133@ddi-01.DDI.local> Hi Jim, Sounds possible to me. In fact this is what web services are for IMO. One way I would do it is... Client app connects to WS, gets authenticated. Client app calls WS method for list of available fields, Client chooses which fields are required, pass back to WS, WS stores in your DB, client stores local copy. Client calls WS method to return data. Client calls WS method to upload data. Not sure you want to directly access there db's, let the WS and Client app do the DB work. cheers Michael M DDI Solutions Pty Ltd michael at ddisolutions.com.au Bus: 0260400620 Mob: 0412620497 www.ddisolutions.com.au -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco Sent: Tuesday, 13 December 2005 3:08 AM To: VB List (E-mail); AccessD (E-mail) Subject: [dba-VB] Is this possible (X-posted) dba-VB AccessD List, We have a VB/SQL app that we are actively marketing to other health plans and county social service agencies that handles enrollments into Medicaid and other government funded health programs. I have a need to transmit the apps data electronically from a health plan to a county agency. Yes we can simply FTP a file and let an agency pull the data down but it's not quite that simple. Different agencies have different needs for the data (some have IT resources, some don't, some need data input to send data back to plan some don't). My vision is a web portal where the county can define what data the plan should send them and define a file of what data they'll send back to the plan. My app should read the file and generate the appropriate export file and import data correctly based on the county's export (if any). Using .NET technologies I'd like the portal to also have the ability to connect to the local copy of my app's database for authentication and data access. The question is: Can I do this via web services? Can a user log on to my portal passing me a site ID so I know where their local database resides for authentication? That done, can I then create data entry forms against their local copy of the apps database? We'd rather not host all data here (competing plans may use the app and probably wouldn't care for that arrangement!) Hopefully this isn't too confusing and someone can enlighten me. TIA, Jim DeMarco Director of Application Development Hudson Health Plan ************************************************************************ *********** "This electronic message is intended to be for the use only of the named recipient, and may contain information from Hudson Health Plan (HHP) that is confidential or privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error or are not the named recipient, please notify us immediately, either by contacting the sender at the electronic mail address noted above or calling HHP at (914) 631-1611. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward this email to anyone, and delete and destroy all copies of this message. Thank You". ************************************************************************ *********** _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org Tue Dec 13 06:43:55 2005 From: Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org (Jim DeMarco) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 07:43:55 -0500 Subject: [dba-VB] Is this possible (X-posted) Message-ID: <08F823FD83787D4BA0B99CA580AD3C74016C4273@TTNEXCHCL2.hshhp.com> Michael, >> let the WS and Client app do the DB work Exactly what I was thinking. I just need to be able to tell the WS were the databases are for each client location (from the web interface). But you do believe that possible. That's good news. We'd also like a UI as some local gov't agencies have limited IT resources so they'd have to have write access to the data but if the above is true then this is likely to work as well. Thanks, Jim DeMarco -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Michael Maddison Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 6:04 PM To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Is this possible (X-posted) Hi Jim, Sounds possible to me. In fact this is what web services are for IMO. One way I would do it is... Client app connects to WS, gets authenticated. Client app calls WS method for list of available fields, Client chooses which fields are required, pass back to WS, WS stores in your DB, client stores local copy. Client calls WS method to return data. Client calls WS method to upload data. Not sure you want to directly access there db's, let the WS and Client app do the DB work. cheers Michael M DDI Solutions Pty Ltd michael at ddisolutions.com.au Bus: 0260400620 Mob: 0412620497 www.ddisolutions.com.au -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco Sent: Tuesday, 13 December 2005 3:08 AM To: VB List (E-mail); AccessD (E-mail) Subject: [dba-VB] Is this possible (X-posted) dba-VB AccessD List, We have a VB/SQL app that we are actively marketing to other health plans and county social service agencies that handles enrollments into Medicaid and other government funded health programs. I have a need to transmit the apps data electronically from a health plan to a county agency. Yes we can simply FTP a file and let an agency pull the data down but it's not quite that simple. Different agencies have different needs for the data (some have IT resources, some don't, some need data input to send data back to plan some don't). My vision is a web portal where the county can define what data the plan should send them and define a file of what data they'll send back to the plan. My app should read the file and generate the appropriate export file and import data correctly based on the county's export (if any). Using .NET technologies I'd like the portal to also have the ability to connect to the local copy of my app's database for authentication and data access. The question is: Can I do this via web services? Can a user log on to my portal passing me a site ID so I know where their local database resides for authentication? That done, can I then create data entry forms against their local copy of the apps database? We'd rather not host all data here (competing plans may use the app and probably wouldn't care for that arrangement!) Hopefully this isn't too confusing and someone can enlighten me. TIA, Jim DeMarco Director of Application Development Hudson Health Plan ************************************************************************ *********** "This electronic message is intended to be for the use only of the named recipient, and may contain information from Hudson Health Plan (HHP) that is confidential or privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error or are not the named recipient, please notify us immediately, either by contacting the sender at the electronic mail address noted above or calling HHP at (914) 631-1611. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward this email to anyone, and delete and destroy all copies of this message. Thank You". ************************************************************************ *********** _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com *********************************************************************************** "This electronic message is intended to be for the use only of the named recipient, and may contain information from Hudson Health Plan (HHP) that is confidential or privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error or are not the named recipient, please notify us immediately, either by contacting the sender at the electronic mail address noted above or calling HHP at (914) 631-1611. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward this email to anyone, and delete and destroy all copies of this message. Thank You". *********************************************************************************** From michael at ddisolutions.com.au Tue Dec 13 18:21:38 2005 From: michael at ddisolutions.com.au (Michael Maddison) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 11:21:38 +1100 Subject: [dba-VB] Is this possible (X-posted) Message-ID: <59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D0116A140@ddi-01.DDI.local> Jim, I've just re-read your email and realised what you appear to want is probably not straightforward. Lets see if I got you right this time... The client logs onto you shell site. Your site then connects to the client PC, then the client db, pulls data back up to the web server and displays to the client? Even if this is possible (I have doubts) isn't it going to be very slow? Security would be a nightmare IMO. Maybe replication might help? Much better to have a dedicated db for each client on your db server. There are plenty of companies using this model already. cheers Michael M Michael, >> let the WS and Client app do the DB work Exactly what I was thinking. I just need to be able to tell the WS were the databases are for each client location (from the web interface). But you do believe that possible. That's good news. We'd also like a UI as some local gov't agencies have limited IT resources so they'd have to have write access to the data but if the above is true then this is likely to work as well. Thanks, Jim DeMarco -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Michael Maddison Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 6:04 PM To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Is this possible (X-posted) Hi Jim, Sounds possible to me. In fact this is what web services are for IMO. One way I would do it is... Client app connects to WS, gets authenticated. Client app calls WS method for list of available fields, Client chooses which fields are required, pass back to WS, WS stores in your DB, client stores local copy. Client calls WS method to return data. Client calls WS method to upload data. Not sure you want to directly access there db's, let the WS and Client app do the DB work. cheers Michael M DDI Solutions Pty Ltd michael at ddisolutions.com.au Bus: 0260400620 Mob: 0412620497 www.ddisolutions.com.au -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco Sent: Tuesday, 13 December 2005 3:08 AM To: VB List (E-mail); AccessD (E-mail) Subject: [dba-VB] Is this possible (X-posted) dba-VB AccessD List, We have a VB/SQL app that we are actively marketing to other health plans and county social service agencies that handles enrollments into Medicaid and other government funded health programs. I have a need to transmit the apps data electronically from a health plan to a county agency. Yes we can simply FTP a file and let an agency pull the data down but it's not quite that simple. Different agencies have different needs for the data (some have IT resources, some don't, some need data input to send data back to plan some don't). My vision is a web portal where the county can define what data the plan should send them and define a file of what data they'll send back to the plan. My app should read the file and generate the appropriate export file and import data correctly based on the county's export (if any). Using .NET technologies I'd like the portal to also have the ability to connect to the local copy of my app's database for authentication and data access. The question is: Can I do this via web services? Can a user log on to my portal passing me a site ID so I know where their local database resides for authentication? That done, can I then create data entry forms against their local copy of the apps database? We'd rather not host all data here (competing plans may use the app and probably wouldn't care for that arrangement!) Hopefully this isn't too confusing and someone can enlighten me. TIA, Jim DeMarco Director of Application Development Hudson Health Plan ************************************************************************ *********** "This electronic message is intended to be for the use only of the named recipient, and may contain information from Hudson Health Plan (HHP) that is confidential or privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error or are not the named recipient, please notify us immediately, either by contacting the sender at the electronic mail address noted above or calling HHP at (914) 631-1611. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward this email to anyone, and delete and destroy all copies of this message. Thank You". ************************************************************************ *********** _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com ************************************************************************ *********** "This electronic message is intended to be for the use only of the named recipient, and may contain information from Hudson Health Plan (HHP) that is confidential or privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error or are not the named recipient, please notify us immediately, either by contacting the sender at the electronic mail address noted above or calling HHP at (914) 631-1611. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward this email to anyone, and delete and destroy all copies of this message. Thank You". ************************************************************************ *********** _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org Wed Dec 14 07:00:51 2005 From: Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org (Jim DeMarco) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 08:00:51 -0500 Subject: [dba-VB] Is this possible (X-posted) Message-ID: <08F823FD83787D4BA0B99CA580AD3C74016C4283@TTNEXCHCL2.hshhp.com> The confusion seems to be on the definition of the client end. By client I'm referring to the SQL DB hosted on their server not a db on a local PC. We'd like them to be able to access their data as if we were hosting the db. I'm not clear on why that's different. If I have a web site and I host the database users can log on and access data and do data entry chores. What's the difference if the db is hosted elsewhere and I point to it dynamically based on user log on? There are two required components to this app. 1 - defining files (or maybe data streams) for download/upload, 2 - sending files/data. The ability to provide some data entry tools is a would be nice but if I can do the file/data stuff this should be possible. Someone had suggested .NET remoting which may be an option in this case. Jim D. -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Michael Maddison Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 7:22 PM To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Is this possible (X-posted) Jim, I've just re-read your email and realised what you appear to want is probably not straightforward. Lets see if I got you right this time... The client logs onto you shell site. Your site then connects to the client PC, then the client db, pulls data back up to the web server and displays to the client? Even if this is possible (I have doubts) isn't it going to be very slow? Security would be a nightmare IMO. Maybe replication might help? Much better to have a dedicated db for each client on your db server. There are plenty of companies using this model already. cheers Michael M Michael, >> let the WS and Client app do the DB work Exactly what I was thinking. I just need to be able to tell the WS were the databases are for each client location (from the web interface). But you do believe that possible. That's good news. We'd also like a UI as some local gov't agencies have limited IT resources so they'd have to have write access to the data but if the above is true then this is likely to work as well. Thanks, Jim DeMarco -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Michael Maddison Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 6:04 PM To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Is this possible (X-posted) Hi Jim, Sounds possible to me. In fact this is what web services are for IMO. One way I would do it is... Client app connects to WS, gets authenticated. Client app calls WS method for list of available fields, Client chooses which fields are required, pass back to WS, WS stores in your DB, client stores local copy. Client calls WS method to return data. Client calls WS method to upload data. Not sure you want to directly access there db's, let the WS and Client app do the DB work. cheers Michael M DDI Solutions Pty Ltd michael at ddisolutions.com.au Bus: 0260400620 Mob: 0412620497 www.ddisolutions.com.au -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco Sent: Tuesday, 13 December 2005 3:08 AM To: VB List (E-mail); AccessD (E-mail) Subject: [dba-VB] Is this possible (X-posted) dba-VB AccessD List, We have a VB/SQL app that we are actively marketing to other health plans and county social service agencies that handles enrollments into Medicaid and other government funded health programs. I have a need to transmit the apps data electronically from a health plan to a county agency. Yes we can simply FTP a file and let an agency pull the data down but it's not quite that simple. Different agencies have different needs for the data (some have IT resources, some don't, some need data input to send data back to plan some don't). My vision is a web portal where the county can define what data the plan should send them and define a file of what data they'll send back to the plan. My app should read the file and generate the appropriate export file and import data correctly based on the county's export (if any). Using .NET technologies I'd like the portal to also have the ability to connect to the local copy of my app's database for authentication and data access. The question is: Can I do this via web services? Can a user log on to my portal passing me a site ID so I know where their local database resides for authentication? That done, can I then create data entry forms against their local copy of the apps database? We'd rather not host all data here (competing plans may use the app and probably wouldn't care for that arrangement!) Hopefully this isn't too confusing and someone can enlighten me. TIA, Jim DeMarco Director of Application Development Hudson Health Plan ************************************************************************ *********** "This electronic message is intended to be for the use only of the named recipient, and may contain information from Hudson Health Plan (HHP) that is confidential or privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error or are not the named recipient, please notify us immediately, either by contacting the sender at the electronic mail address noted above or calling HHP at (914) 631-1611. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward this email to anyone, and delete and destroy all copies of this message. Thank You". ************************************************************************ *********** _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com ************************************************************************ *********** "This electronic message is intended to be for the use only of the named recipient, and may contain information from Hudson Health Plan (HHP) that is confidential or privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error or are not the named recipient, please notify us immediately, either by contacting the sender at the electronic mail address noted above or calling HHP at (914) 631-1611. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward this email to anyone, and delete and destroy all copies of this message. Thank You". ************************************************************************ *********** _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com *********************************************************************************** "This electronic message is intended to be for the use only of the named recipient, and may contain information from Hudson Health Plan (HHP) that is confidential or privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error or are not the named recipient, please notify us immediately, either by contacting the sender at the electronic mail address noted above or calling HHP at (914) 631-1611. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward this email to anyone, and delete and destroy all copies of this message. Thank You". *********************************************************************************** From listmaster at databaseadvisors.com Thu Dec 22 23:26:40 2005 From: listmaster at databaseadvisors.com (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 00:26:40 -0500 Subject: [dba-VB] Administrivia - DBA Board of Directors for 2006/2007 Message-ID: <43AB4440.6592.BC669@listmaster.databaseadvisors.com> The Shareholders of Database Advisors, Inc. have just met and elected the Board of Directors for 2006/2007. Congratulations to the new Board of Directors: Donna Cook, Drew Wutka, Jim Lawrence, John Bartow, John Colby, Keith Williamson, Lembit Soobik, Reuben Cummings, Rocky Smolin for John Bartow President, DatabaseAdvisors.com From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com Sat Dec 31 10:37:45 2005 From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 11:37:45 -0500 Subject: [dba-VB] Ado.net 2.0 Message-ID: <200512311637.jBVGbxV30372@databaseadvisors.com> I am having a hard time getting started with ADO.net 2.0. I need example code for SOMETHING (anything) that looks up data in a table, preferably in an sql server db. As an example, I have a the "login form" that the wizard builds in VB.Net 2.0. It has two text boxes for username and password, and an OK and Cancel button. No code. I have a user table in a SQL Server database, with a UserName and PasswordHash field. I need to accept the user's input of the username and look it up in the user table in the SQL, retrieving the passwordhash. I can do everything except get the data. Frustrating. I could do it in 1.x (which still works) but I understand that there is a "newer/better/faster/easier" way to do this stuff in 2.0. The only problem is getting examples. As you probably know all anyone is interested in is binding controls to data which isn't what I want. I need to know how to do it all in code. Eventually (soon thereafter) I will want to pull an entire set of tables, iterating the tables, populating classes with the data in the tables. The data in the classes will be changing so I need the classes to be able to write the data back out to the tables as well. Again, what I need in this instance is an example, from the start, of dimming all of the objects required, then reading data out of a given table, and writing data back into that same table. If anyone has example code that they wrote, or a web page that does this programmatic manipulation, from start to finish, I would be forever grateful. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: http://folding.stanford.edu/ From Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org Mon Dec 12 10:08:07 2005 From: Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org (Jim DeMarco) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 11:08:07 -0500 Subject: [dba-VB] Is this possible (X-posted) Message-ID: <08F823FD83787D4BA0B99CA580AD3C74016C4259@TTNEXCHCL2.hshhp.com> dba-VB AccessD List, We have a VB/SQL app that we are actively marketing to other health plans and county social service agencies that handles enrollments into Medicaid and other government funded health programs. I have a need to transmit the apps data electronically from a health plan to a county agency. Yes we can simply FTP a file and let an agency pull the data down but it's not quite that simple. Different agencies have different needs for the data (some have IT resources, some don't, some need data input to send data back to plan some don't). My vision is a web portal where the county can define what data the plan should send them and define a file of what data they'll send back to the plan. My app should read the file and generate the appropriate export file and import data correctly based on the county's export (if any). Using .NET technologies I'd like the portal to also have the ability to connect to the local copy of my app's database for authentication and data access. The question is: Can I do this via web services? Can a user log on to my portal passing me a site ID so I know where their local database resides for authentication? That done, can I then create data entry forms against their local copy of the apps database? We'd rather not host all data here (competing plans may use the app and probably wouldn't care for that arrangement!) Hopefully this isn't too confusing and someone can enlighten me. TIA, Jim DeMarco Director of Application Development Hudson Health Plan *********************************************************************************** "This electronic message is intended to be for the use only of the named recipient, and may contain information from Hudson Health Plan (HHP) that is confidential or privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error or are not the named recipient, please notify us immediately, either by contacting the sender at the electronic mail address noted above or calling HHP at (914) 631-1611. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward this email to anyone, and delete and destroy all copies of this message. Thank You". *********************************************************************************** From michael at ddisolutions.com.au Mon Dec 12 17:03:43 2005 From: michael at ddisolutions.com.au (Michael Maddison) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 10:03:43 +1100 Subject: [dba-VB] Is this possible (X-posted) Message-ID: <59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D0116A133@ddi-01.DDI.local> Hi Jim, Sounds possible to me. In fact this is what web services are for IMO. One way I would do it is... Client app connects to WS, gets authenticated. Client app calls WS method for list of available fields, Client chooses which fields are required, pass back to WS, WS stores in your DB, client stores local copy. Client calls WS method to return data. Client calls WS method to upload data. Not sure you want to directly access there db's, let the WS and Client app do the DB work. cheers Michael M DDI Solutions Pty Ltd michael at ddisolutions.com.au Bus: 0260400620 Mob: 0412620497 www.ddisolutions.com.au -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco Sent: Tuesday, 13 December 2005 3:08 AM To: VB List (E-mail); AccessD (E-mail) Subject: [dba-VB] Is this possible (X-posted) dba-VB AccessD List, We have a VB/SQL app that we are actively marketing to other health plans and county social service agencies that handles enrollments into Medicaid and other government funded health programs. I have a need to transmit the apps data electronically from a health plan to a county agency. Yes we can simply FTP a file and let an agency pull the data down but it's not quite that simple. Different agencies have different needs for the data (some have IT resources, some don't, some need data input to send data back to plan some don't). My vision is a web portal where the county can define what data the plan should send them and define a file of what data they'll send back to the plan. My app should read the file and generate the appropriate export file and import data correctly based on the county's export (if any). Using .NET technologies I'd like the portal to also have the ability to connect to the local copy of my app's database for authentication and data access. The question is: Can I do this via web services? Can a user log on to my portal passing me a site ID so I know where their local database resides for authentication? That done, can I then create data entry forms against their local copy of the apps database? We'd rather not host all data here (competing plans may use the app and probably wouldn't care for that arrangement!) Hopefully this isn't too confusing and someone can enlighten me. TIA, Jim DeMarco Director of Application Development Hudson Health Plan ************************************************************************ *********** "This electronic message is intended to be for the use only of the named recipient, and may contain information from Hudson Health Plan (HHP) that is confidential or privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error or are not the named recipient, please notify us immediately, either by contacting the sender at the electronic mail address noted above or calling HHP at (914) 631-1611. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward this email to anyone, and delete and destroy all copies of this message. Thank You". ************************************************************************ *********** _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org Tue Dec 13 06:43:55 2005 From: Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org (Jim DeMarco) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 07:43:55 -0500 Subject: [dba-VB] Is this possible (X-posted) Message-ID: <08F823FD83787D4BA0B99CA580AD3C74016C4273@TTNEXCHCL2.hshhp.com> Michael, >> let the WS and Client app do the DB work Exactly what I was thinking. I just need to be able to tell the WS were the databases are for each client location (from the web interface). But you do believe that possible. That's good news. We'd also like a UI as some local gov't agencies have limited IT resources so they'd have to have write access to the data but if the above is true then this is likely to work as well. Thanks, Jim DeMarco -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Michael Maddison Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 6:04 PM To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Is this possible (X-posted) Hi Jim, Sounds possible to me. In fact this is what web services are for IMO. One way I would do it is... Client app connects to WS, gets authenticated. Client app calls WS method for list of available fields, Client chooses which fields are required, pass back to WS, WS stores in your DB, client stores local copy. Client calls WS method to return data. Client calls WS method to upload data. Not sure you want to directly access there db's, let the WS and Client app do the DB work. cheers Michael M DDI Solutions Pty Ltd michael at ddisolutions.com.au Bus: 0260400620 Mob: 0412620497 www.ddisolutions.com.au -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco Sent: Tuesday, 13 December 2005 3:08 AM To: VB List (E-mail); AccessD (E-mail) Subject: [dba-VB] Is this possible (X-posted) dba-VB AccessD List, We have a VB/SQL app that we are actively marketing to other health plans and county social service agencies that handles enrollments into Medicaid and other government funded health programs. I have a need to transmit the apps data electronically from a health plan to a county agency. Yes we can simply FTP a file and let an agency pull the data down but it's not quite that simple. Different agencies have different needs for the data (some have IT resources, some don't, some need data input to send data back to plan some don't). My vision is a web portal where the county can define what data the plan should send them and define a file of what data they'll send back to the plan. My app should read the file and generate the appropriate export file and import data correctly based on the county's export (if any). Using .NET technologies I'd like the portal to also have the ability to connect to the local copy of my app's database for authentication and data access. The question is: Can I do this via web services? Can a user log on to my portal passing me a site ID so I know where their local database resides for authentication? That done, can I then create data entry forms against their local copy of the apps database? We'd rather not host all data here (competing plans may use the app and probably wouldn't care for that arrangement!) Hopefully this isn't too confusing and someone can enlighten me. TIA, Jim DeMarco Director of Application Development Hudson Health Plan ************************************************************************ *********** "This electronic message is intended to be for the use only of the named recipient, and may contain information from Hudson Health Plan (HHP) that is confidential or privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error or are not the named recipient, please notify us immediately, either by contacting the sender at the electronic mail address noted above or calling HHP at (914) 631-1611. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward this email to anyone, and delete and destroy all copies of this message. Thank You". ************************************************************************ *********** _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com *********************************************************************************** "This electronic message is intended to be for the use only of the named recipient, and may contain information from Hudson Health Plan (HHP) that is confidential or privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error or are not the named recipient, please notify us immediately, either by contacting the sender at the electronic mail address noted above or calling HHP at (914) 631-1611. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward this email to anyone, and delete and destroy all copies of this message. Thank You". *********************************************************************************** From michael at ddisolutions.com.au Tue Dec 13 18:21:38 2005 From: michael at ddisolutions.com.au (Michael Maddison) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 11:21:38 +1100 Subject: [dba-VB] Is this possible (X-posted) Message-ID: <59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D0116A140@ddi-01.DDI.local> Jim, I've just re-read your email and realised what you appear to want is probably not straightforward. Lets see if I got you right this time... The client logs onto you shell site. Your site then connects to the client PC, then the client db, pulls data back up to the web server and displays to the client? Even if this is possible (I have doubts) isn't it going to be very slow? Security would be a nightmare IMO. Maybe replication might help? Much better to have a dedicated db for each client on your db server. There are plenty of companies using this model already. cheers Michael M Michael, >> let the WS and Client app do the DB work Exactly what I was thinking. I just need to be able to tell the WS were the databases are for each client location (from the web interface). But you do believe that possible. That's good news. We'd also like a UI as some local gov't agencies have limited IT resources so they'd have to have write access to the data but if the above is true then this is likely to work as well. Thanks, Jim DeMarco -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Michael Maddison Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 6:04 PM To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Is this possible (X-posted) Hi Jim, Sounds possible to me. In fact this is what web services are for IMO. One way I would do it is... Client app connects to WS, gets authenticated. Client app calls WS method for list of available fields, Client chooses which fields are required, pass back to WS, WS stores in your DB, client stores local copy. Client calls WS method to return data. Client calls WS method to upload data. Not sure you want to directly access there db's, let the WS and Client app do the DB work. cheers Michael M DDI Solutions Pty Ltd michael at ddisolutions.com.au Bus: 0260400620 Mob: 0412620497 www.ddisolutions.com.au -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco Sent: Tuesday, 13 December 2005 3:08 AM To: VB List (E-mail); AccessD (E-mail) Subject: [dba-VB] Is this possible (X-posted) dba-VB AccessD List, We have a VB/SQL app that we are actively marketing to other health plans and county social service agencies that handles enrollments into Medicaid and other government funded health programs. I have a need to transmit the apps data electronically from a health plan to a county agency. Yes we can simply FTP a file and let an agency pull the data down but it's not quite that simple. Different agencies have different needs for the data (some have IT resources, some don't, some need data input to send data back to plan some don't). My vision is a web portal where the county can define what data the plan should send them and define a file of what data they'll send back to the plan. My app should read the file and generate the appropriate export file and import data correctly based on the county's export (if any). Using .NET technologies I'd like the portal to also have the ability to connect to the local copy of my app's database for authentication and data access. The question is: Can I do this via web services? Can a user log on to my portal passing me a site ID so I know where their local database resides for authentication? That done, can I then create data entry forms against their local copy of the apps database? We'd rather not host all data here (competing plans may use the app and probably wouldn't care for that arrangement!) Hopefully this isn't too confusing and someone can enlighten me. TIA, Jim DeMarco Director of Application Development Hudson Health Plan ************************************************************************ *********** "This electronic message is intended to be for the use only of the named recipient, and may contain information from Hudson Health Plan (HHP) that is confidential or privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error or are not the named recipient, please notify us immediately, either by contacting the sender at the electronic mail address noted above or calling HHP at (914) 631-1611. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward this email to anyone, and delete and destroy all copies of this message. Thank You". ************************************************************************ *********** _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com ************************************************************************ *********** "This electronic message is intended to be for the use only of the named recipient, and may contain information from Hudson Health Plan (HHP) that is confidential or privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error or are not the named recipient, please notify us immediately, either by contacting the sender at the electronic mail address noted above or calling HHP at (914) 631-1611. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward this email to anyone, and delete and destroy all copies of this message. Thank You". ************************************************************************ *********** _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org Wed Dec 14 07:00:51 2005 From: Jdemarco at hudsonhealthplan.org (Jim DeMarco) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 08:00:51 -0500 Subject: [dba-VB] Is this possible (X-posted) Message-ID: <08F823FD83787D4BA0B99CA580AD3C74016C4283@TTNEXCHCL2.hshhp.com> The confusion seems to be on the definition of the client end. By client I'm referring to the SQL DB hosted on their server not a db on a local PC. We'd like them to be able to access their data as if we were hosting the db. I'm not clear on why that's different. If I have a web site and I host the database users can log on and access data and do data entry chores. What's the difference if the db is hosted elsewhere and I point to it dynamically based on user log on? There are two required components to this app. 1 - defining files (or maybe data streams) for download/upload, 2 - sending files/data. The ability to provide some data entry tools is a would be nice but if I can do the file/data stuff this should be possible. Someone had suggested .NET remoting which may be an option in this case. Jim D. -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Michael Maddison Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 7:22 PM To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Is this possible (X-posted) Jim, I've just re-read your email and realised what you appear to want is probably not straightforward. Lets see if I got you right this time... The client logs onto you shell site. Your site then connects to the client PC, then the client db, pulls data back up to the web server and displays to the client? Even if this is possible (I have doubts) isn't it going to be very slow? Security would be a nightmare IMO. Maybe replication might help? Much better to have a dedicated db for each client on your db server. There are plenty of companies using this model already. cheers Michael M Michael, >> let the WS and Client app do the DB work Exactly what I was thinking. I just need to be able to tell the WS were the databases are for each client location (from the web interface). But you do believe that possible. That's good news. We'd also like a UI as some local gov't agencies have limited IT resources so they'd have to have write access to the data but if the above is true then this is likely to work as well. Thanks, Jim DeMarco -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Michael Maddison Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 6:04 PM To: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [dba-VB] Is this possible (X-posted) Hi Jim, Sounds possible to me. In fact this is what web services are for IMO. One way I would do it is... Client app connects to WS, gets authenticated. Client app calls WS method for list of available fields, Client chooses which fields are required, pass back to WS, WS stores in your DB, client stores local copy. Client calls WS method to return data. Client calls WS method to upload data. Not sure you want to directly access there db's, let the WS and Client app do the DB work. cheers Michael M DDI Solutions Pty Ltd michael at ddisolutions.com.au Bus: 0260400620 Mob: 0412620497 www.ddisolutions.com.au -----Original Message----- From: dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:dba-vb-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco Sent: Tuesday, 13 December 2005 3:08 AM To: VB List (E-mail); AccessD (E-mail) Subject: [dba-VB] Is this possible (X-posted) dba-VB AccessD List, We have a VB/SQL app that we are actively marketing to other health plans and county social service agencies that handles enrollments into Medicaid and other government funded health programs. I have a need to transmit the apps data electronically from a health plan to a county agency. Yes we can simply FTP a file and let an agency pull the data down but it's not quite that simple. Different agencies have different needs for the data (some have IT resources, some don't, some need data input to send data back to plan some don't). My vision is a web portal where the county can define what data the plan should send them and define a file of what data they'll send back to the plan. My app should read the file and generate the appropriate export file and import data correctly based on the county's export (if any). Using .NET technologies I'd like the portal to also have the ability to connect to the local copy of my app's database for authentication and data access. The question is: Can I do this via web services? Can a user log on to my portal passing me a site ID so I know where their local database resides for authentication? That done, can I then create data entry forms against their local copy of the apps database? We'd rather not host all data here (competing plans may use the app and probably wouldn't care for that arrangement!) Hopefully this isn't too confusing and someone can enlighten me. TIA, Jim DeMarco Director of Application Development Hudson Health Plan ************************************************************************ *********** "This electronic message is intended to be for the use only of the named recipient, and may contain information from Hudson Health Plan (HHP) that is confidential or privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error or are not the named recipient, please notify us immediately, either by contacting the sender at the electronic mail address noted above or calling HHP at (914) 631-1611. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward this email to anyone, and delete and destroy all copies of this message. Thank You". ************************************************************************ *********** _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com ************************************************************************ *********** "This electronic message is intended to be for the use only of the named recipient, and may contain information from Hudson Health Plan (HHP) that is confidential or privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error or are not the named recipient, please notify us immediately, either by contacting the sender at the electronic mail address noted above or calling HHP at (914) 631-1611. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward this email to anyone, and delete and destroy all copies of this message. Thank You". ************************************************************************ *********** _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com _______________________________________________ dba-VB mailing list dba-VB at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-vb http://www.databaseadvisors.com *********************************************************************************** "This electronic message is intended to be for the use only of the named recipient, and may contain information from Hudson Health Plan (HHP) that is confidential or privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error or are not the named recipient, please notify us immediately, either by contacting the sender at the electronic mail address noted above or calling HHP at (914) 631-1611. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward this email to anyone, and delete and destroy all copies of this message. Thank You". *********************************************************************************** From listmaster at databaseadvisors.com Thu Dec 22 23:26:40 2005 From: listmaster at databaseadvisors.com (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 00:26:40 -0500 Subject: [dba-VB] Administrivia - DBA Board of Directors for 2006/2007 Message-ID: <43AB4440.6592.BC669@listmaster.databaseadvisors.com> The Shareholders of Database Advisors, Inc. have just met and elected the Board of Directors for 2006/2007. Congratulations to the new Board of Directors: Donna Cook, Drew Wutka, Jim Lawrence, John Bartow, John Colby, Keith Williamson, Lembit Soobik, Reuben Cummings, Rocky Smolin for John Bartow President, DatabaseAdvisors.com From jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com Sat Dec 31 10:37:45 2005 From: jwcolby at ColbyConsulting.com (John Colby) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 11:37:45 -0500 Subject: [dba-VB] Ado.net 2.0 Message-ID: <200512311637.jBVGbxV30372@databaseadvisors.com> I am having a hard time getting started with ADO.net 2.0. I need example code for SOMETHING (anything) that looks up data in a table, preferably in an sql server db. As an example, I have a the "login form" that the wizard builds in VB.Net 2.0. It has two text boxes for username and password, and an OK and Cancel button. No code. I have a user table in a SQL Server database, with a UserName and PasswordHash field. I need to accept the user's input of the username and look it up in the user table in the SQL, retrieving the passwordhash. I can do everything except get the data. Frustrating. I could do it in 1.x (which still works) but I understand that there is a "newer/better/faster/easier" way to do this stuff in 2.0. The only problem is getting examples. As you probably know all anyone is interested in is binding controls to data which isn't what I want. I need to know how to do it all in code. Eventually (soon thereafter) I will want to pull an entire set of tables, iterating the tables, populating classes with the data in the tables. The data in the classes will be changing so I need the classes to be able to write the data back out to the tables as well. Again, what I need in this instance is an example, from the start, of dimming all of the objects required, then reading data out of a given table, and writing data back into that same table. If anyone has example code that they wrote, or a web page that does this programmatic manipulation, from start to finish, I would be forever grateful. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Contribute your unused CPU cycles to a good cause: http://folding.stanford.edu/